Fiesta's Biggest Issue (level 22+)

[IXeroI]

<div class="content" style="clear: both">

Production , requires mats , which require farming them , farming requires HP SP Stones , which require money,* money? well the only way to make enough money to maintain levels above 22+ (AS AN ARCHER) , would be either farm KQ until you find a rare (which wouldn't make much but atleast its something) , #2* Elrue , rofl , i cant believe HOW MANY little friggin mushroom stores I see selling &quot;CHEAP ELRUE&quot; , but even selling elrue requires time..... ALOT of time, as 20+ , you need days to make silver from selling stones and production things , and NPCing these mats give you what? 2/3 copper each?* , higher ones*10/20 copper each? Not enough to purchase upcoming skills/gear/HP SP stones , we're barely given enough copper to do that,* anyway , I prefer to just grind , which really puts me into a big situation hear this , at 20+ grinding in burning hill , Ill farm for about 2 hours right? find tons of mats etc , go to town , now what should I do ? I'm out of HP SP Stones , I can either go afk with a store up for 10 hours trying to sell my mats or production items , or just NPC them for 1000x less than i'd make , but I would prefer to continue grinding , so If i NPC them , I only make just enough silver again to fill HP SP stones , then im down to 100 copper, I.O: Grind 2 hours until HP SP Stones out, go town , NPC all i found (2 silver made) restock on HP SP Stones , Broke , Situation is that , cannot make money unless you afk with a store for hours or spam trade trying so hard to sell elrue /pots/scrolls etc, which is friggin crazy ,,,,,* or you can get lucky and find GM Free Trees or something,,,,, rofl , anyway , I believe ...... well I don't know, all I do know is that my future on Fiesta as an Archer seems very poor , won't be able to afford higher skills / items* , and keep up with SP HP Stones , and production is out of the question* at that point , soooooooooooooo seems this game forces you to be poor unless you find an exploit or helped by GM's (which I noticed and was unfair..)


*PS: this seems to be the only MMO where monsters don't drop cash... , I understand they don't want their game to be sold out by Online Game-Money stores selling Fiesta Silver etc , but if you think about it , what online games dont have that issue? ^^ , I could name about 100/200 (literally) MMO's that do.. some free online/ some pay per play, some ban on this , some dont care, regardless , atleast in those games I can make enough money from grinding to buy things i need , this game is impossible to ..


&#160;


SOOO to wrap this up , straight grinding in this game, you wont progress , you'll be years behind in your skills/items* , you'll only be able to afford HP SP Stones , (at the most)

[Filthykur]

This is a really good point Xero. The enemies do not drop cash so in essence you are selling drops ie. Mats for money, then buying skills, then buying health stones. So by the time you get your professions made, you have to sell the mats to get money to make more things, and also refill health stones again. Money is indeed scarce it seems but it is still Beta so it can possibly be fixed in the near future.

[IXeroI]

yep... and the thing is , most kids that will argue my post , havent even gotten 20 yet, i didnt notice this issue until i was 20+...

[Filthykur]

Well I just started playing in the Beta... not very high lvl tho. My opinion wouldnt mean much since im just testing the waters so to speak. Its very noticable while lvling. So I understand where your coming at Xero and hope that something is done about it.

[TastyTapioca]

I managed to make it into my 30s before I finally cooled off and took it easy. Yes, you will suffer in your 20s, but at the 30s I was making a lot of money as it takes longer to level up (obviously). Because of this you end up hunting more, collecting more, using more, etc etc


Rinse, lather, repeat. By the time you need any major upgrade in your 30s you'll have amassed enough money to cover it (most of the time).


Just remember that as you get older, things get more expensive but you'll have access to better hunting grounds, better drops, etc that will allow you to compensate for the lack of money being dropped.


If you really want to bypass the grinding I would suggest doing quests while you level up and also to group up. Clerics are there for a reason. :P


If you want to solo, of course it will be harder. It's harder for any class to solo at the later levels. To many people are impatient and want fast exp, fast kills, and fast levels. Reality is, they don't come that easy after 24, especially if you solo a lot.

[imported_tehfusion]

After agreement here. After level 20, it becomes way too difficult than it should be. You have to work so hard to your fullest just to be able to buy your skills/equipment*- let alone actually get extras like refined equipment, scrolls, etc.! It's ridiculous.

[Mystic200202]

I noticed this in CB1/CB2. But in open beta i noticed they upgraded the drop rate on the Tier 2 mats stuffs. Like the summoned beast leather tier 2 and reg beast leather dropping in forest of mists a lot. i only made lvl 16 last night b4 i crashed and i started late &amp;gt;&amp;lt; but i ended up with about 20 total tier 2 beast leather/summoned and those sold fast in store for 300+copper each. But what i do is knock out a ton of quests and then just grind b4 handing them in and do like 10 quest turn ins at a time. you see your cash*jump really nicely and the exp gain still stays really good rate. Its even better if you do the quests that require the mobs you wana grind ne ways lol. I think i'm at like 27s right now at 16 with all skills bought and all items upgraded/ Including production skills. and that includes my hp/sp stones funds.

[IXeroI]

Tasty, yes , but regardless, relying on mushroom vendor for 12 hours trying to sell elrue/ production things to make enough silver just to buy skills for 1-2 levels , isnt an option, and quests only give 1/2 silver at the most* for 24+ (besides KQ quest)*, grinding , I love grinding ,*but not if im just going to level for nothing ,*I could grind to 50 , but I wouldnt*have any silver AT ALL to buy skills/items past*20+ from just grinding..*


&amp;#160;


asdf

[TastyTapioca]

Understandable. I'm just saying I ended up making 20-50 silver between levels when I got to 30 and went onward. There is a steep upgrade inbetween levels around 35 and up. 40s are even worse for leveling.


In backing up your original post, I agree on that. I was behind on skills and spells for most of my later 20s. I had to work my hindside off to get those but after 30s everything got better until the 40s.

[IXeroI]

what class you playing btw? or were playing at that time.


&amp;#160;

[IXeroI]

doublepost, woops

[Cometkitty00]

So, do you have to buy money from the cash shop? o.o

[Seishi]

Tier 2 Materials sell for 70-80 copper.

[jatznic]

You make a good point, however you aren't taking economics into account. With how easy it is to kill monsters in this game, if all of them dropped cash the market would soon be flooded with an abundance of currency. Soon, mundane items such as an Old spirit dust would cost 1s each to buy (see supply and demand). In theroy it would be fantastic to always have enough money to buy what you wanted. Realistically, it would ruin the game. Take FFXI as an example. Due to monsters dropping money, and the ease in acquiring money, after 2 years mediocre items were selling for 2-3 Million gil each. In FFXI terms that is a giant amount. The creators for Fiesta did a brilliant job in how the economy is structured, and if all goes well, the lower influx of cash into the market will benefit everyone in the long run.


-Seiteki

[zenadsl]

I dont think monsters should drop money as jatznic says, they are easy to kill especially when they are green.


What I would like to see though is quest money increased. (not for repeatable quest though), but enough to make sure by the time you get to 20, 30 you actually have the money to buy a sword.


The prices of equips at 20+ really really needs looking at.


I got to 24 (fighter) in CB and was broke, had only +2 sword/shield. I think a lot of people in CB got rich by GM stuff, so its easy for them to say there is nothing wrong.

[Deedolith]

how about managing your ressource better too ? As a mage, I don't use that much potions / stones (only for emergency). Alright, that slow down the grinding, but end up saving a lot.

[imported_MyYing]

well i agree the mobs are easy to kill if they are &amp;quot;green&amp;quot;...but what if u dont hunt green mobs ( i for one dont) what do u do then. also im a solo artist and i i know alot of ppl say u shouldnt solo but i really do lvl way faster that way but in turn i end up needing pots and skills ect. . the game seems to be pushing ppl in a pt all the time direction if u want to succeed (at saving money) but what aboout the solo artist, the pure grinders what do we do for cash...(besides from staying broke) because even in a pt u cant get the drops seeing as how most pt's like to shre them.

[xiaowa]

i think that for solo, it will be slow...bcoz u should not*NPC those things that you can make stones/scrolls/pots...you should make the stones/scrolls/pots out of those drops...you can keep those items that is made and sell alot together...that can save your time...if you dont have enough cash, then you have no choice but to set up a stall...


i dont have the experience but i think that way...bcoz in CB2 i did that...

[TastyTapioca]

For the pure grinders, I would just say leve like mad because it will ultimately send you to bigger areas and better drops and you WILL catch up with time if you just apply it a little. Like I said, later 20s I was finally able to get caught up and was ahead in money for skills/armor/weapons by the time I started in my early 30s

[Deedolith]

Having weapons / skills available at a given lvl doesn't mean you should always get it as soon as you lvl up.

But with a bit of farming, that issue is easilly solved.

[bigbooty]

haha yea it is hard in the 20's i have 3 silver cuz of my addiction to enhancement x(the armor and weapons are so exspensive

[warhound]

Some very good points I do say. But here's something to consider. I know have a lvl 16 warrior/fighter. Yes I am a soloer for the most part. For production I make potions and scrolls. As it stands the scrolls i grinded for long periods of time to get enough materials to make are for the most part worthless.


I mean look at elrues so many people do them they aint worth two craps and a drop in a bucket. I was in cb2 i made enough money even as a solo player. Now with the flood of new players i have found it ever so difficult to make enough to even resupply on stones. Yes even though i make my own potions I find it still a necessity to have them making potions or not. I found that killing spirit monsters I can make many potions but in turn make very little cash.


When I kill alot of summoned monsters i can make lots of scrolls but because as I said many people flood the market with stones scrolls and such items. It in my opinion is hard to come up with cash. I do use the scrolls because well I can't sell em. I mean look at item drops so far I got a plus 3 strenght ring and a lvl 16 cleric helm ( solar eclipse bless helm ) which as you know is a rare but who is gonna have the cash to buy it lol. As I see it they need to increase item drops cause wow ***. And only way i had cash in cb2 was the fact the market wasn't flooded with the item i sold.

[kikuxleet]

I agree with topic starter. However, ranting it won't help anything, because this isn't the only free MMO where monsters don't drop cash. I personally can follow up the pace with the steeply-increasing cost of skills and equipment after level 20. This is mainly because I don't spend a copper on HP/SP stones. While training, I came across many stacks of potion ingredients. I burnt potions instead with the help of potion production skill, never used a single HP/SP stone. Also, I tend to grind on monsters which drop me the most demanding materials such as SBL (LQ). Even the monsters turn green I still grind a bit on them, for the sake of money.

I also don't recommend to level up productions skills while if you're having money problem. With these three things, I was able to level up at a normal pace, while still able to afford all skills and equipments from NPC past level 20.

[DarkSideOfYou]

can anyone please tell me where to log on? PLEASE!!!!!

[Trebori]

can anyone please tell me where to log on? PLEASE!!!!!

I sent you a PM.

[aznfata1ity]

Personally, I have little trouble finding enough silver to fund equip/skills past lvl 20 just because it starts taking longer and longer to lvl up. Thus I kill more monsters and get more drops.

[Trebori]

I have found that You have to use money management in this game.( actually it is a good economics lesson to the younger crowd) It is hard to come by and needs to be used only when necessary.Don't waste any trying to enhance the lower level gear, it is a waste of money. You go through the first 20 levels so fast by the time you have it up to a decent +( plus) It will be time to upgrade to higher level gear.Thus your money is wasted. Save it for important stuff like, skills, base armor, etc. You got to be a scrooge and pinch every penny until you get up in levels some and it will start to flow in a little more freely.

This is just my thoughts on the subject. I am only 27 level, but I have ALL of my skills,armor,weapon, red house, and all the other essentials. I have even started saving for my 30+ gear so I will have it as soon as I level up. :)

[naskakun]

Npc Prize for Equip should be raised a lil, so u can "seriously" choose if u try sell it to a Player n wasteing so mcuh time or just sleling it to a NPC.

Mobs could get atlast a lil chance to drop common +0 Equipment, that could be sold for a little more then right now. At this time it is not posible to get Equip unless u do KQs or buy it for a lot, since upgradeing has a fail Chance it aint worth wasteing ur time to make a little Money to buy some Equipment and upgrade... u can use the same time to do KQs and ull get more Items next to it and it can be enchanted and no risk at upgradeing.

Dunno if there is allready, but common Dungeon could get a Boss Mob that also Drops a "Chest", but only 1 Time a Day u should be allowed to get the Item.

[TastyTapioca]

I have found that You have to use money management in this game.( actually it is a good economics lesson to the younger crowd) It is hard to come by and needs to be used only when necessary.Don't waste any trying to enhance the lower level gear, it is a waste of money. You go through the first 20 levels so fast by the time you have it up to a decent +( plus) It will be time to upgrade to higher level gear.Thus your money is wasted. Save it for important stuff like, skills, base armor, etc. You got to be a scrooge and pinch every penny until you get up in levels some and it will start to flow in a little more freely.

This is just my thoughts on the subject. I am only 27 level, but I have ALL of my skills,armor,weapon, red house, and all the other essentials. I have even started saving for my 30+ gear so I will have it as soon as I level up. :)


I agree, this has to be one of the first MMO's I've played that teaches that in some respect. You have to think ahead, plan and prepare. You can't just spend, spend, spend. If you're careful with your money, invest in some skills that will make you money (scrolls!), and watch your materials, you can go a long ways.

People think quests are stupid and a waste of time, well I can tell you they are a godsend to anyone 27+. I mean heck, I think its at 28 you take the "don't call me rookie" quest where all you have to do is make level 30 and you get a few silver and around 3-5k experience for it. I mean hell, how much easier do people want it?

I'm in my 30s again and I have found it a bit tight at moments and other times I found I made money to buy all my skills, weapons, armor, materials to start the process over again. Even had some left over to continue making small stuff on the side (skill wise).

[Xanthros]

Npc Prize for Equip should be raised a lil, so u can "seriously" choose if u try sell it to a Player n wasteing so mcuh time or just sleling it to a NPC.

-snip-


This brings up a discussion I've had with a few other players the last few days, that's supply and demand. If you raise the sell value to NPCs, that means players will have to offer -more- for you to actually sell it to them, and in turn you will pay more for items you want. A good example, people trying to sell the old dusts for 15c each. You need 3 of each type to make 1 elrue, that's 15c x 9 dusts... 135c. The going rate on elrue on Teva is 30, pushing 40c tops. (T1) That said, are those making stones supposed to take the loss to try to sell things, or will it suddenly be price gouging if we had to adjust our prices so we actually made a profit on items as a result? Something to ponder.

The drop %s are fine if you stay within your level range too, as you get too big for a map/set of NPCs, you'll notice the drops become non-existant. This is a great feature so higher levels dont slaughter lower level maps and just maul everything for fast mats.

My .02,
X-

[naskakun]

lets say ud pay 4s for the item and u can resell it to get 1s, it is still worth trying to sell it to players for 2s-3s.... all green/rare Equips wont change there price and so only the worth of common Equip would raise a lil.

[conorman]

I noticed this when my sister( has two lvl 2x characters) reached 20 on her first character
she had to do the same things as evertbody else does, but ppl, this is still just bets here, so there is still stuff being tested, so money drops will come in time......

[Funeral]

I am a mage, it is 100% impossible to afford your gear + Weapons + skills from 20 up.

And about this stopping gold farmers... Have you been into town lately? Its not working.

Not to mention, Gold farmers and gold buyers are screwing the economy to the extent that people are selling pets for 35s this would not be so bad if you could get 35s without having to buy it. the whole economy is off balance to the extent that outspark will HAVE to interfere at some point to fix what is wrong. I have played a lot of mmo's and this is starting to look like the worst economy system yet, great game, bad economy.

[Neightking]

I am a mage, it is 100% impossible to afford your gear + Weapons + skills from 20 up.

And about this stopping gold farmers... Have you been into town lately? Its not working.

Not to mention, Gold farmers and gold buyers are screwing the economy to the extent that people are selling pets for 35s this would not be so bad if you could get 35s without having to buy it. the whole economy is off balance to the extent that outspark will HAVE to interfere at some point to fix what is wrong. I have played a lot of mmo's and this is starting to look like the worst economy system yet, great game, bad economy.

I'm sorry but I will have to disagree. I am a level 33 mage and I have all my equipment and skills with about 17 silver to spare. I rarely open up a vendor store. I have a little extra cash because I have found a group of players who I really enjoy partying with and we go into higher level areas and grind which gives you item drops that sell for high $$$ at NPC. Also the quests you start getting begin to pay much better with 1 silver plus payouts for completeing. Hope this info helps you out.

[Gravvi]

Well i have been playing for about 2 weeks. I am a lvl 23 high cleric and it is so hard for me to get the silver to get items. I mean not only do u need to keep up with stones. THe items we can sell are needed for our alchemy skills, and then we enhance our items and if they break like my shield did i had to get 3 more silver to replace it. Which took me 5 hours to do. And when do u get quests that offer more than 400c for completion. i have yet to find one.