Let's Fix Theprice Of The Xen Stones!!!

[derek.uchiha]

Hi guys
I'm Kuraica i opened this thread because the price of the xen stones is getting me nervous..
This thread was opened to decide the price of the xen stones together.
In this thread you can say the your opinion about the right price of the xen stones ;D

In this way:

In my opinion the right price of the xen stones is: 750k per each

WHEN WE WILL GET AROUND 100 OPINIONS WE WILL WEIGH UP HOW MUCH WORTH ONE XEN STONE

In this way:
for example: we got 10 tips that are:
750k
850k
800k
835k
700k
900k
825k
725k
500k
650k

this is the way: 750+850+800+835+700+900+825+725+500+650= 7535k
7535:10= 753,5= 750k per xen stone

All right? This will be the way to weigh up how much worth a xen stone ;D

The last thing: IN THIS THIS THREAD U MUSTN'T SPAM!!!

[kanoona]

is i nice idea and i wish u luck i also tried to fix it and it did work :D
but only for a short short short period of time (like 5 days) ._.
but gl

[tomcat47]

who knows, maybe the price of xen stones is actually going down? i bought one for 600k the other day. haha as soon as that person put up their shop that said 'xen stone 600k' i bought it in like 2 seconds. maybe less.

so maybe its going down, idk. although that coudve just been someone who didnt really know how much to sell it for. but usually those are the ppl that try and sell them from 900k to 1.5mil. haha yes, i saw a xen going for 1.5mil. x_x

as of right now, i wish they would stay high priced. i fund my pet quest with xen stones. xP
but after that ill probably end up buying them to enhance...
anyways, i think 750k is definitely a fair price. especially with the fact that they can fail. this way only 750k will go down the drain. :/

[BloodLimit]

My guild holds the type of power to change the prices of items, but at the moment im still working on it (The guild). If prices get as ridiculous and maybe worse then what they are now. I'll have to get every member of my guild (100+) to stand somewhere selling Xen stones for 600k for at least 2-3 months straight and hopefully people will get it to their heads to sell it for that amount.

[Euphie]

They use to be around 300k during January or December if I'm correct. ._.

The price stayed their for a week and a half and went up to 400k.. Then 500k. Then more up. ._.

[coolgirl23]

Well 750k does sound nice but the prices keep going up and most people buy for about 800k. Hope its not going up anymore x_x

[Nights_Fang]

750k or even less. Perfect price for it.

(*Is remembering how when she joined the game in Jan Xens used to sell for 250k - 400k*)

[thrakx]

whatr u guys crying about? The CB and early OB prices were 1 million PLUS. Then the drop rate was increased and the price bottomed out at 300-450K for a while and its been on the rise BACK UP to 1 million this whole time.

Get the point ya know? It the most valuable item in the game for people who want good armor. Besides after a while what else are you gonna spend your money on? Stop crying though cause its NOT THAT BAD.

[bobalitos]

thraxx has said it all.

[silentbugs]

CAN BE A GOOD IDEA IF ALL PPL SELL THEMS IN 400-500K
BUT U NEED THE COOPERATE OF ALL PPKL IN THE GAME
(GONNA BE HARD MAYBE IMPOSIBLE xD)

[machinist]

Love the idea, never gonna happen though :(

[Raishuu]

Heh, the thing is, no matter how many people talk about how the Xen Stone prices being ridiculous, when it comes down to it, if they want to get a stone, they will buy it.
That is, if they can afford it.

So long as there are people who have the money, and are willing to pay 800-900K for a Xen, the prices aren't gonna go down.

Simple as that.

And I highly doubt the Xen Stone prices will break 1mil like they did at the very beginning of OB. Absolutely no one in game is that stupid. I wouldn't worry about a 1.5 mil. Xen stone becoming a regular sight.

[Zeltar]

I'd have to agree with thrakx, get over it!

and by the way, if you really want to know why the price is going up, you should read my extensive posts on the game economy and factors effecting prices and inflation in the past few threads on this topic:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=667359#post667359
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=677625#post677625
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=747588#post747588
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=783483#post783483

BTW, BloodLimit that sounds like a great idea! why doesn't your guild buy 100 xens at 850k and sell them again at 600k. please ley me know when and where you will be doing this(i want to be the first one to see your shop). I hope you guys have a lot of spare cash to pointlessly blow! XD

[ace7580]

it dont stop ppl buying them back and reselling them high again:confused:

[thrakx]

which is exactly what i would do if I saw them cheap. Buy and sell making a ton of profit in the end!!!!

[Cladnestina]

Yes, it is very nice that some of the higher level people have 30 million or so to spend on xens.
What about the rest of SoS?

Talk about being selfish and disrespectful! Seriously, act your age... You're not 3.

[TRXSTA]

@ BloodLimit: ... The arrogance. I'm amused.

I don't even know why people bother. This is not something to be "fixed" - or that can be "fixed". Xen Stones are a "luxury good"; why should they be accessible to everybody just because they want one? Call it greed, call it whatever... people want to make money. Like Sijar says, if you have the money to blow, come find me. Although, unlike n00b, I'ma use them on myself. :D

[derek.uchiha]

Guys we don't need only your opinions^^' we need tips about your ideal price of the xen stones...

p.s. thraks, i understood what were you meaning, but in this way all the players will speculate on this..
this is why we are avaraging out..

CME ON GUYS WE NEED MORE OPINIONS ;D

[thrakx]

dude only about a quarter of the players even check these forums.

[tankofinsanity]

XEN stone overpriced is not the problem

It helps lower level players to get a head start because xen drop rate is the same for them

What we need is MORE INCOME, and GMs should put up krons as direct prices for winning tournaments.

[Orangeman21]

Actually we need more sinks in the economy. We have so much money coming from npcs for selling just regular gears and none going back except for pots. This causes infinate inflation. I fpeople have less money they will pay less for Xens and therefore driving down the cost.

Also low levels shouldn't be having +6/6ap gear. They don't need it. The only ways that Xens are going to go down. Drop rate is drastically increased, players having less money, or enough upgraded gear to go around.

[BloodLimit]

@ BloodLimit: ... The arrogance. I'm amused.

I don't even know why people bother. This is not something to be "fixed" - or that can be "fixed". Xen Stones are a "luxury good"; why should they be accessible to everybody just because they want one? Call it greed, call it whatever... people want to make money. Like Sijar says, if you have the money to blow, come find me. Although, unlike n00b, I'ma use them on myself. :D

It can be fixed easily by doing what i mentioned, on my last game FFXI there was an armor (Scorpion Harness) which was sold for 30Million (150$ US Cash and people actually spent that amount). And by having 10,000 members waste money buying that and selling it extremely cheap (5Million) for 3 to 5 months straight, people couldn't see a competition and reason to keep selling it for the default price of the item, after a year the item had only raised by 1 million (6Million) but it DID made a change.. and also by my part, i managed to buy 100 of those items and saved it for if it was raised again which it did happen for 5 months and i managed to return 5x times of what i invested, but after those 5 months on the 6th month the prices droped to 200k thanks to the hacker boot that was manipulating the economy, normal players with enough intelligence can make ANY type of change as long as they think it right. Right now i don't got any problems with Kron, as you can see i managed to create 5(50 Million) guilds and if i wanted i could create 5 more or maybe 10 even 20 but 5 is enough for me & my plans for this game.

[AnimePimp66]

xen prices may drop every now and then forawhile the the bottom line is when u c a xen fora fair price 750 and under u buy the hell outa it and the shop disapears the noobs that find xens have no price to go on but the 900k+ pricees that noone buys if u want to help out leave xens that are priced at 600l in shops in brinhild then ppl will just take it that xens wont sell at 600k and will lower the prices even further[lMAO fat chance huh].still nothing lasts for long prices will go up again..... nomatter what u do or how much u cry something thats high demand that everyone needs will nvr stay at steady price. messed up huh xDDD

and think about it what if xens were always cheap as hell and everyone had em......... then everyone would have ubber gears and wth kinda fun is that......i nvr hear the end of aoe map hog bs fighting as it is now.... let alone if everyone could do it gah.... kinda defeats the purpose a competitve game dunt cha think O_o

[Raishuu]

Guys we don't need only your opinions^^' we need tips about your ideal price of the xen stones...

Doesn't matter if people start saying how much they think a Xen should be sold for. Even if people agree, not many are gonna put an effort towards trying to change it.
Nothing is gonna change because no one on the game knows how to properly boycott something, lol. ._.

And by having 10,000 members waste money buying that and selling it extremely cheap (5Million) for 3 to 5 months straight, people couldn't see a competition and reason to keep selling it for the default price of the item, after a year the item had only raised by 1 million (6Million) but it DID made a change..

That was FFXI.
Think about this game and it's community.
How many people are REALLY gonna have the backbone to do that for 3+ months or so?
Depending on how you train, what drops you get, etc. income is very low for some people. People are going to want good gear, and at the levels where 6ap matters most you can't get it for less than about 600K or so [depending on what class you are]. If they also put in money to buy xens at 850K~ish, there goes almost 1mil. They sell it back for 600K, great, they got a 250K profit. But in the long run they're still losing money. And in this game I've found money goes away very quickly.

[BloodLimit]

That was FFXI.
Think about this game and it's community.
How many people are REALLY gonna have the backbone to do that for 3+ months or so?
Depending on how you train, what drops you get, etc. income is very low for some people. People are going to want good gear, and at the levels where 6ap matters most you can't get it for less than about 600K or so [depending on what class you are]. If they also put in money to buy xens at 850K~ish, there goes almost 1mil. They sell it back for 600K, great, they got a 250K profit. But in the long run they're still losing money. And in this game I've found money goes away very quickly.

You missed my point, when i meant 10,000 players.. i meant 10,000 of MY guild members that agreed to follow my words because they already knew what i was thinking, they didnt care about losing money (Because they knew that twice was gonna be gained in the future) this is how i juggle with money even in the real life, and im a pro at that.. trust me. And, just like i did in FFXI i can do it here.. i could either raise the price or lower it, it all depends on how the people in this community reacts to it.

[Raishuu]

You missed my point, when i meant 10,000 players.. i meant 10,000 of MY guild members that agreed to follow my words because they already knew what i was thinking, they didnt care about losing money (Because they knew that twice was gonna be gained in the future) this is how i juggle with money even in the real life, and im a pro at that.. trust me. And, just like i did in FFXI i can do it here.. i could either raise the price or lower it, it all depends on how the people in this community reacts to it.

Ok, that changes things up a bit.
Now, the key part in this being "how people in this community reacts to it." Because looking at our community, as friendly as it is, when it comes down to it, a good handful are very, very greedy. (: [no offense to everyone...]

Anyway, if people don't mind losing money betting on the fact that twice will be earned in the future so that the Xen prices will be lowered, your ideas and plans are really quite good.
However, the thing is, if you were to lower the prices, how long would this last?
Back in January/February prices had dipped down to 250-350K per stone. I'd left the game for a month, and when I came back, the prices had escalated to about 500-600K per stone. And a couple months later, here we are at an average of 850K per. And I must say, during that entire time, drop rates had not changed by any significant amount whatsoever.

Looking at this community's economy history, putting any real effort into changing Xen Stone prices will only result in an endless circle of high and low prices.
Xen Stones will always be in-demand. And if someone needs a whole lot real fast, what do they need to do? If they got the money just offer a few thousand over the current regular selling price, and BAM, they got flooded with whispers. That cycle will just continue and gradually the prices will escalate, and anybody who wants to get as much as they can will sell it at the maximum price.

I'm not arguing with your ideas or anything. Just pointing out that there is a very slim chance of anything working permanently in the economy. Too many people want good gears. Lots of people have the money. And there are tons new users who are broke and need whatever they can get.

[BloodLimit]

I do agree what you say, this wont last for ever and it wont definetly become a permanent price for the stones. But what i am aimed at, its not the permanent price but to show people that they can do it on their own if they put some dedication into changing things. I've dedicated my life to juggle with money from being a no-one and becoming someone and wherever i stand either in public or in a virtual world, i try to reach the message to everyone that they don't need to follow social culture to gain what they need or want, but to gain it several legal ways instead of sitting on their bum wasting time while living in a wreck. The people are the real voice of its country, if they don't speak a no-one will. So, who knows i might do this if i ever think that we need a change, with or without the support of its own community.

[Zeltar]

Guys we don't need only your opinions^^' we need tips about your ideal price of the xen stones...

p.s. thraks, i understood what were you meaning, but in this way all the players will speculate on this..
this is why we are avaraging out..

CME ON GUYS WE NEED MORE OPINIONS ;D

You want a price? Ok, 2mill.


Actually we need more sinks in the economy. We have so much money coming from npcs for selling just regular gears and none going back except for pots. This causes infinate inflation. I fpeople have less money they will pay less for Xens and therefore driving down the cost.

Also low levels shouldn't be having +6/6ap gear. They don't need it. The only ways that Xens are going to go down. Drop rate is drastically increased, players having less money, or enough upgraded gear to go around.

Yep, as dipple said(you obviously had a read through the links).

It can be fixed easily by doing what i mentioned, on my last game FFXI there was an armor (Scorpion Harness) which was sold for 30Million (150$ US Cash and people actually spent that amount). And by having 10,000 members waste money buying that and selling it extremely cheap (5Million) for 3 to 5 months straight, people couldn't see a competition and reason to keep selling it for the default price of the item, after a year the item had only raised by 1 million (6Million) but it DID made a change.. and also by my part, i managed to buy 100 of those items and saved it for if it was raised again which it did happen for 5 months and i managed to return 5x times of what i invested, but after those 5 months on the 6th month the prices droped to 200k thanks to the hacker boot that was manipulating the economy, normal players with enough intelligence can make ANY type of change as long as they think it right. Right now i don't got any problems with Kron, as you can see i managed to create 5(50 Million) guilds and if i wanted i could create 5 more or maybe 10 even 20 but 5 is enough for me & my plans for this game.

This is a free-trade economy, with fixed supply. By buying all the items you are actually using up a portion of the supply, meaning demand exceeds supply, thus raising the prices. Releasing them back onto the market might VERY temporarily reduce the price for the moment that people are copying your price, but it will nearly instantly return to the original price, as you are just releasing the supply that was originally there. The thing is that by buying extra and saving it for later sale at a profit, you actually helped drive up the price. In the end achieving nothing but wasting your guilds money. If you were storing items at that time then you were actually driving a reverse process, making money off the fluctuation while it stabilizes. But by definition, the money gained from the fluctuation can never match the money put into creating the fluctuation as there will be other people also buying-reselling to make profit off the fluctuations (hmm, this all reminds me of many years ago in economics class in high school)

The simple fact is in a free-trade supply-demand economy it is impossible to fix the prices.

[derek.uchiha]

ok ok.. i understood everything.. this is a good discussion to talk about.. but i did this thread to get the others opinions about the xen stones pricesthen i want only the advices to get the perfect price of the xen stones.. just this..

well, lets give me more advices that u can to weigh up the xen stones's value ^^

[Zeltar]

ok ok.. i understood everything.. this is a good discussion to talk about.. but i did this thread to get the others opinions about the xen stones pricesthen i want only the advices to get the perfect price of the xen stones.. just this..

well, lets give me more advices that u can to weigh up the xen stones's value ^^

i gave my answer, first it will be 1mill, then 2mil, then 3mill and so on.

BTW no price is always constant, pricesof good in RLare fluctuating over time, so will prices in the game free market economy