The Definition of "Event Gone Horribly Wrong"

[catry]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg204/kitcatry/0722_928E.jpg

There's Sora* and Darla, 2 level 9x players, Desomancer at level 8x, and Eririn, a level 7x player, all floating angels courtesy of today's event. Between them that 28% of xp lost is probably worth a good week or so.

You'd think with a game where high-level leveling isn't already near impossible, that the GMs would be a little more responsible when leading players through extremely high leveled maps and actually clear out attacking monsters like rider used to do during the "Follow the White Rabbit" event, rather than letting all the aggros tag along and end up mobbing the sz and wasting several people's valuable time.

Whatever happened to the way events used to be run, twice or more daily and well-managed to minimize chance of players losing rather than gaining? O.o

[Lost_Sage]

Ouch...
that gonna leave a mark on eveyone's heads...

[thrakx]

which is exactly why i dont do events usually.

[Orangeman21]

That was really bad. I went on my scout who is 70+ (since he just leveled). At first it took the gm an hour to get to kramer forest and he didn't do anything. Then he went a lot faster, but appearing as to be lost.

Anyways every sz was mobbed(before the gm even got there from people who ran ahead) so everyone late died. Also people were getting mobbed in places that there was no way they could handle right in front of the gm.

Suggestions:
1.Make the pace more consistant

2.Kill the monsters so that people actually following the GM live.

Edit: not trying to bash anyone or rant just trying to offer constructive critism. Dx

[nintendogirl]

yeah that is bad...

The 7% exp loss is a real pain in the fanny...

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch! OUCH!!!!!
A chance i didn't do the event! :(
So sad to see this screenshot, the GM that do this event was really not careful and make everyone die.

I will evade all the other events like this for a while. O.O

Character's names:
-CyberClyde: LV 8X Templar
-CyberSlayer: LV 6X Knight
-Marshmalow: LV 2X Neophythe

[Mikitan]

You know, You think Drekard (or whoever was controlling him) would do a better job. ESPECIALLY since all of us were going through some pretty high level maps. Last event I did that was like this was "Follow the White Rabbit" and rider was spaming "Master/Elite Item Sweeper" every few minutes to ensure everyone's safety. He even went back as to check for ghosties :/...

I rarely complain much about this game -- but today's "Mighty Trek" event failed HORRIBLY. I lost 7% due to an event that was not handled good. I'm pretty tee'd off that it was lost. That's about several hours work that I'll never get back. :/ Ugh z_z

[legendaryJ]

Ouch sorry to hear that you guys...really sucks...

[Muchiko]

Wow O.O... I feel the pain of Sora* and Darla.... Ouch... I hope they were using a 5% pendant... hopefully... :s

Did Drekard come back to revive?

What was the prize anyway?

[Sineat]

the rewared was definity not worth it >.>

[Hitohira]

I didn't even stay long when I saw how wrong things went >.> I died once and try to catch up but I never figured it out.
Even though that event sounded great. It seems it wasn't actually O_o

But Drekard told us we could die and lose exp during that event... =/

[catry]

Wow O.O... I feel the pain of Sora* and Darla.... Ouch... I hope they were using a 5% pendant... hopefully... :s

Did Drekard come back to revive?

What was the prize anyway?

Drekard never went back; people either just gave up or waited for the aggros to go away to revive/res. The prize was a three day goggles...not the least bit worth it

[AzNRuthLess]

As much as i agree with you guys, here's wat is posted on the event section.

The Mighty Trek

Introduction

This event is a journey from one end of the continent to the other. There is a player in dire need and we must trek to the player's location and save him for he holds information on the hideouts of Alastor and his evil horde.

But beware this is no simple hike. Come at your own risk!!! It will be a long, arduous, demanding trip that will require you to stay close to the pack and beware of the mobs in each zone.

The GM will be leading this trek and will state where they event will start. Follow and stay close to the GM or risk getting lost or worse, killed.

The good thing is that along the way the GM will be taking stops where players will be getting random treats for being on the trek. Some random treats are buffs and items.

When we reach the player in need and save him, all the players who have made it will win!


I wasnt at the event myself, since i was at work and got home when the event was about over already. So I cant really say if it went really wrong or watever. All I can say is that events are a little lame now, which is why my absence from alot of it is now being seen. *rider i miss you too >.<*

[DemKill9556]

I got as far and loren and GUESS WHAT!!! i died
the aggros the whole MAPS!!!! were at the sz
So after i died i just went back and calmed down

[Orangeman21]

demanding trip that will require you to stay close to the pack and beware of the mobs in each zone.

Follow and stay close to the GM or risk getting lost or worse, killed.


The people that stayed close to the gm died also so it ended up being a free for all =/

[Xistence]

rofl lol :) Looks like event was interesting.

[kazuya-str]

I was the sacrifice. O.o I helped distract the monsters so someone could revive... sort of o.o But yeah, it went terribly wrong but I wuv my goggles *killed*

No one came for us but we did catch up fortunantly.
I would've lost 50% exp if I hadn't leveled up the second the event started...

It must hurt... especially for the higher leveled people who lost that 7% which could take days to reobtain. T.T

[Rorin_V]

Yeah, you pretty much had to stay with the pack and get lucky to survive that one... Lucky meaning YOU weren't the player the aggro targeted as you ran through the map. Staying with a large number of people increased your chances of survival that way.

I got lucky and didn't die, even as a level 54 Neo. Rapid Step and Dash Candies saved my behind more than once. Sorry to those upon whom I shed aggros as I ran.

There were literally times when it seemed as if Drekard disappeared. I was watching his logo like a hawk, and there was a time when he was there one second, and the next it seemed as if he wasn't. If I hadn't followed the stream of people to the SZ, I would have died in Edine.

As I made it the whole way and got the prizes along the way, I'm not sure how I feel about the event. It definitely kept me on my toes......

[Sawars]

Ranting and raving about how bad the event went. PFFT!!! You all should be ashamed of yourselves...

1st off, they warned everyone with a notice in game to come at your own risk!

You didn't have to go if you didn't want to...most of you saw Loren Valley you could have turned around and said no...or worse most of you saw Blackmail Forest, you could have said no then and went on your merry way to do something else. I did die once as well, but I don't really care that much.

2nd It is not a GM's responsibility to keep any player alive or to revive any.

Technically, there are no rules or regulations to the event that I saw that could pertain to this.


And yes AzNRuthLess is correct in quoting that from the Event Section people.

So, in an event it's your own damn fault for dying (whether its due to lag or bad judgment). Get over it, get on with it and forget it.


Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o

[LoLiLoKoKo]

Ranting and raving about how bad the event went. PFFT!!! You all should be ashamed of yourselves...

1st off, they warned everyone with a notice in game to come at your own risk!

You didn't have to go if you didn't want to...most of you saw Loren Valley you could have turned around and said no...or worse most of you saw Blackmail Forest, you could have said no then and went on your merry way to do something else. I did die once as well, but I don't really care that much.

2nd It is not a GM's responsibility to keep any player alive or to revive any.

Technically, there are no rules or regulations to the event that I saw that could pertain to this.


And yes AzNRuthLess is correct in quoting that from the Event Section people.

So, in an event it's your own damn fault for dying (whether its due to lag or bad judgment). Get over it, get on with it and forget it.


Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o
I wouldnt have said it that harshly but to be honest with the way the GMs handle things,most people should have expected this to happen somewhere in their mind.

[Sineat]

dont hurt me T.T i was just saying the reward is a tad useless to a scout.

[SilverTitan]

u must hav missed the free xens prize we got at blackmail sz (?)

i lost 21% but it was worth it the 2xens made up for it. maybe its not worth it for higher lvls because it takes forever to gain that exp wen i can regain that exp in less than an hour.....

[ggBuRNe]

Ranting and raving about how bad the event went. PFFT!!! You all should be ashamed of yourselves...

1st off, they warned everyone with a notice in game to come at your own risk!

You didn't have to go if you didn't want to...most of you saw Loren Valley you could have turned around and said no...or worse most of you saw Blackmail Forest, you could have said no then and went on your merry way to do something else. I did die once as well, but I don't really care that much.

2nd It is not a GM's responsibility to keep any player alive or to revive any.

Technically, there are no rules or regulations to the event that I saw that could pertain to this.

And yes AzNRuthLess is correct in quoting that from the Event Section people.

So, in an event it's your own damn fault for dying (whether its due to lag or bad judgment). Get over it, get on with it and forget it.


Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o

I didn't go for the event but as stated in Event Section, the event has some risks along with it.. Moreover, there are no rules or regulations stated that GM has to kill the mobs along the way..

Bear in mind, GMs are trying hard to make free events for all, not just for spark cash user.. This event is new and I'm sure everybody comment is appreciated by them..




**Haha, ice ball wizard's skill from the deer owned them all in the pics.. jking :p**

[dylanangel]

Ranting and raving about how bad the event went. PFFT!!! You all should be ashamed of yourselves...

1st off, they warned everyone with a notice in game to come at your own risk!

You didn't have to go if you didn't want to...most of you saw Loren Valley you could have turned around and said no...or worse most of you saw Blackmail Forest, you could have said no then and went on your merry way to do something else. I did die once as well, but I don't really care that much.

2nd It is not a GM's responsibility to keep any player alive or to revive any.

Technically, there are no rules or regulations to the event that I saw that could pertain to this.


And yes AzNRuthLess is correct in quoting that from the Event Section people.

So, in an event it's your own damn fault for dying (whether its due to lag or bad judgment). Get over it, get on with it and forget it.


Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o
I agree. Not so harshly but yea.

High lvl peeps can handle those mobs but not that many at once. Those deers dont tickle lol.

[AidenxStJohn]

worst problem for me was the lag x___x lotsa ppl lagged n got left behind and died ~ sucky ~ some got kicked from the game n died too.
last part of the trek was very .... lag unfriendly lol xD... no stops ^_~
~ lvl 100 n 1000 pots r no good if u cant move at all x______x ~
I woulda liked Drekard to stop a bit more near the end ~ he was moving rly slow at the begining `^^; ~ if he went a bit slower, just stop a bit more, that woulda given higher lvl players a chance to kill off the mobs. Waahhh.... enough ranting xD, altogether the event was ok. I think good for the 1st they tried it, more events like this would b cool :D

peace <3

[Zeltar]

ouch! i'm really glad i missed the event. a death is a few hours of my life goone, not worth it for a few xens.

[drokthul]

Wow never heard so much people complaining about a event. I'm glad I didn't participate and never will if I finally get a chance to play this game.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Even if high-level player can handle one monster like this, they still can't handle all this mob. Depending of the class, some have good defense with uber gears and some have crappy gears.

Here my points about this:

I have analyse all the post of this thread for now and let me tell you this:

1:So many die at this event, some are high-level players are in the count when we see the screenshot taken by catry. Also, high-level players that lose 7% are not a good thing for them and depending of the level of the high-level player can take a lot of time to redo.

2:The post of AzNRuthLess, i have to agree with her. I just check the rules of the event and it's the responsability of the player if he die at a event like this one. You have take a risk to do ths event, you have to pay the consequence of your own act.

3:Post of Sawar, I know, you didn't care about the other posts and you said your point. But the last statement you mention about ''Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o''. Sorry to tell you this, i have to disagree with you. Some player have uber gears and can handle these large mobs easily, but some can't(Mage and Cleric). Some have gears full xenned to +6,+7,+8...., and some other dosen't have the same luck. I follow this to the fourth point:

4:We know that the Xen Stones have a higher chance to failed now, and not everyone have the chance to get uber gear, even if the high level player with uber gear still take little of damage, he can still die in a event like that.

5:I wasn't at the event but was on the last Ice Maps helping a Cleric to get back to Edine because he made the mistake to save at the Cabin and can't rewarp back to a town to repot. I couldn't imagine if this event happen and we we're on the way coming, we should surely die for sure mobbed.

And 6:The prize at the end of the event was a 3-Day unreleased item, the GM's colud have give a better prize.

Conclusion about this:

-All players that was on the event, that was low, mid or high-levels, should have been responsible for their own act and should have been more careful about this event.
-If you die and lose 7%, not the fault of the GM's, because they said the rules on the forums about the event.
-But GM's should have give a better prize than this if this event was tough and long to do due to the difficulty of the maps(Ice Maps, level 60-100+)

My point is: it's all your fault if you die and it's the fault of the GM's too if he didn't give a better prize than a 3-day unreleased item. So a pointless event to do and a waste of time. Sorry guys!

Character's name:
-CyberClyde: LV 8X Templar
-CyberSlayer: LV 6X Knight
-Marshmalow: LV 2X Neophythe

[davisf18]

Now let's not start a "he said, she said" flame war. If you didn't like the event so be it. If you did, thats great. Settle this discussion like civilized human beings and PM a GM or solstice_help about it and not start a complaining thread.

You need to always check the rules and regulations of an event before you try it. If you are unsure of what the "risks" in the event might be its not a bad idea to ask someone who knows, such as the GM in charge of the event.

My suggestion is to not make a thread against events but try making event ideas of your own! If you think you can come up with an awesome event make a thread about it and see what people think. Who knows you might just come up with the next best event for players.

[hanako808]

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg204/kitcatry/0722_928E.jpg

There's Sora* and Darla, 2 level 9x players, Desomancer at level 8x, and Eririn, a level 7x player, all floating angels courtesy of today's event. Between them that 28% of xp lost is probably worth a good week or so.

You'd think with a game where high-level leveling isn't already near impossible, that the GMs would be a little more responsible when leading players through extremely high leveled maps and actually clear out attacking monsters like rider used to do during the "Follow the White Rabbit" event, rather than letting all the aggros tag along and end up mobbing the sz and wasting several people's valuable time.

Whatever happened to the way events used to be run, twice or more daily and well-managed to minimize chance of players losing rather than gaining? O.o

Noooooooo!!!!! Sis Darla, big bro Sora!!! Dx NOOOOOOO!!!!! Q.Q Hope you get that lost % back Q.Q

[Zeltar]

Toru, I just have to say you're doing a fantastic job as a CL!
These are tricky times and there is a lot of frustration going around, and you're always there to keep the peace. :)

as for events, i like challenging events as they make us fight to the best of our ability. I love it when i get pwn'd by 5000 camels in awakening, and can come back to fight them without losing any exp.

i'd love to run through maps of uber high level mobs etc(without the risk of losing exp). it makes the events more interesting, moch more fun then a "treck" event through Belt forest. what is the fun in fighting mobs where you have no chance of death, there is no challenge, and so is boring. it's more fun to challenge yourself against harder forces.

this is not the first time players have lost exp in events. eg the awakening when we left the city and got pwnd by zombie hands(and some people pulled the aggro zombie hands into the SZ), and the time rider and break told us to stand still and not move and they spawned 50 huro****s which killed half the people there while we followed directions and didn't move an inch. Each time it didn't go down nicely, a xen stone or 3-day item isn't going to make up for the 7 or 14% exp lost.

the thing that sux is the exp loss when outside of the cities. it'd be great if we could have similar events but with no exp loss. eg if there was a 30min real life time buff for no exp loss, then we could have some nice and challenging events, and people don't need to worry about any exp loss at all.

or make some maps that are exp loss free (like the lair) and then hold events there, you can spawn whatever you like and kill us as many times as you like as long as we don't lose any exp.


edit:
I realized this is more feedback, so made a thread in feedback section saying it'd be great if the GM's could temporarily turn off exp loss for a map (or people), so we can have some crazy fun events.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=917811#post917811

[Muchiko]

Sorry but I still think Drekard should have killed the mobs at least all the agros near safe zone.. To at least re balance the mobs in each map for future parties.

[davisf18]

Toru, I just have to say you're doing a fantastic job as a CL!
These are tricky times and there is a lot of frustration going around, and you're always there to keep the peace. :)

as for events, i like challenging events as they make us fight to the best of our ability. I love it when i get pwn'd by 5000 camels in awakening, and can come back to fight them without losing any exp.

i'd love to run through maps of uber high level mobs etc(without the risk of losing exp). it makes the events more interesting, moch more fun then a "treck" event through Belt forest. what is the fun in fighting mobs where you have no chance of death, there is no challenge, and so is boring. it's more fun to challenge yourself against harder forces.

this is not the first time players have lost exp in events. eg the awakening when we left the city and got pwnd by zombie hands(and some people pulled the aggro zombie hands into the SZ), and the time rider and break told us to stand still and not move and they spawned 50 huro****s which killed half the people there while we followed directions and didn't move an inch. Each time it didn't go down nicely, a xen stone or 3-day item isn't going to make up for the 7 or 14% exp lost.

the thing that sux is the exp loss when outside of the cities. it'd be great if we could have similar events but with no exp loss. eg if there was a 30min real life time buff for no exp loss, then we could have some nice and challenging events, and people don't need to worry about any exp loss at all.

or make some maps that are exp loss free (like the lair) and then hold events there, you can spawn whatever you like and kill us as many times as you like as long as we don't lose any exp.


edit:
I realized this is more feedback, so made a thread in feedback section saying it'd be great if the GM's could temporarily turn off exp loss for a map (or people), so we can have some crazy fun events.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=917811#post917811

I understand what your saying but isn't the challenge in "not" losing the exp?
It would be nice if the GM's could turn off the exp loss for certain events but I don't think it would be possible without turning it off for everyone in game. Your on the right track though, keep coming up with more ideas.

Even though most GM's don't post frequently on the forums they always read what the players have to say. Don't think that they aren't listening!!

[elitedarklord]

well i didn't really....u kno get that far cuz i had to rescue a friend...gettin' mobbed bad...i tried to get them to hit me lol. he ran ahead...3-5 maps later he died again O.O

[deedee479]

T^T i didn't get my xen i kept saying i didn't he never listened>.> really i think he hates me. and i lost 30% staying behind and reviving and healing ppl T^T lvl 66 here i don't come *will wait 4 stackable books then try to lvl again*

[Sawars]

3:Post of Sawar, I know, you didn't care about the other posts and you said your point. But the last statement you mention about ''Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o''. Sorry to tell you this, i have to disagree with you. Some player have uber gears and can handle these large mobs easily, but some can't(Mage and Cleric). Some have gears full xenned to +6,+7,+8...., and some other dosen't have the same luck.

I understand where you are coming from about the defense. I am a Scout. I too have crappy defense along with the Mages and Clerics. I don't have "uber xened" gears and I only died once. It is also hard to me to level as well. I may not be as high level as those other players, but I knew the risk as well as the kind of lag that would surface with an event like this.

Also, every class has at least 1 type of stun skill or slow down skill. I can shoot mine off faster than most classes ( not as fast as other scouts/archers though :( ) so it's not like I stood around to be mobbed and killed by monsters. If you can successfully slow down a monster or mob and run, then do it. I was not out there to help everyone complete the event. I was out there because I wanted to participate in the event ( but yes I did help some people, but I'm not a godly player to help everyone ).

[Magdelena08]

Ranting and raving about how bad the event went. PFFT!!! You all should be ashamed of yourselves...

1st off, they warned everyone with a notice in game to come at your own risk!

You didn't have to go if you didn't want to...most of you saw Loren Valley you could have turned around and said no...or worse most of you saw Blackmail Forest, you could have said no then and went on your merry way to do something else. I did die once as well, but I don't really care that much.

2nd It is not a GM's responsibility to keep any player alive or to revive any.

Technically, there are no rules or regulations to the event that I saw that could pertain to this.


And yes AzNRuthLess is correct in quoting that from the Event Section people.

So, in an event it's your own damn fault for dying (whether its due to lag or bad judgment). Get over it, get on with it and forget it.


Plus...I thought high levels peeps was supposed to be able to handle those types of monsters O_o

I totally agree.

WOOO HOOO!! I had a blast at the event. Talk about an adventure^^ I died but i still had fun. it was an excellent change from grinding. to me, 2 xen stones and a 3 day item is worth it.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk29/Atwood3343/0722_BC1D.jpg

It was the biggest loren party i have ever been in.. lmao:D

[dylanangel]

T^T i didn't get my xen i kept saying i didn't he never listened>.> really i think he hates me. and i lost 30% staying behind and reviving and healing ppl T^T lvl 66 here i don't come *will wait 4 stackable books then try to lvl again*

Stackables are only for 80 or 90+

[catry]

You need to always check the rules and regulations of an event before you try it. If you are unsure of what the "risks" in the event might be its not a bad idea to ask someone who knows, such as the GM in charge of the event.

My suggestion is to not make a thread against events but try making event ideas of your own! If you think you can come up with an awesome event make a thread about it and see what people think. Who knows you might just come up with the next best event for players.

Toru I know very well what the risks of this event were. HOWEVER the event description states to "Follow and stay close to the GM or risk getting lost or worse, killed." If that's the case, how is it that people RIGHT NEXT TO the GM end up dying? If that's the case then the event description is misleading and unfair; if I had known the chance of dying regardless of how close you were to the GM was going to be the same I would not have done it, nor would I have encouraged friends to do it and as result basically getting them killed.

Plus the only reason I made this thread is to question why events are so irresponsibly run now. I have NEVER in the past posted any complaints about any events, even the ones where I've actually died and lost xp. How is it that previous events like this one have not gathered complaints yet this one gets dozens - even from people that WON?

Sawars, you said the GM is not responsible for keeping people alive. In that case why does the event tell you to stay next to the GM to avoid dying? It's hard enough to level in this game as it is. If the GMs are going to make it even harder by recklessly getting people killed, since that now seems to be their agenda, then I might finally actually have a reason to quit.

[oareatiga]

Toru, being a Community leader and all, sometimes its not always necessary to go with the flow of things... sometimes its ok to question bad decisions :)

You wont get in trouble for it

[BloodLimit]

My first event was Monster target and it sucked.. before that i didn't wanted to waste more time on events.

[Daft_Brat]

eh wow x.x. I don't think it was wrong for Kit to make this thread as she isn't complaining just about that event but more questioning the change in event trends. Honestly, I have to agree with her. Part of the reason it was so easy for me to take a break from S.O.S. was the change in GM's and the seeming change in the way that game interaction changed.


...eh I have more to say but tornado warning means I'm getting offline...bbiab.

rawr round 2!

This thread is a discussion about the downhill trend in the events and the way the community feels likes it's being treated, it isn't something that should be left to PM's because it is a discussion about how the community feels.

Discontent isn't something that should be frowned upon and hushed up. Outspark and the GM's ask for feedback and what better way to give it than to discuss it.

I say good job to kit for bringing this up. They made her one of the MVP's of the week for a reason you know, don't attack her for the very thing she got recognized for.

[thrakx]

Toru, being a Community leader and all, sometimes its not always necessary to go with the flow of things... sometimes its ok to question bad decisions :)

You wont get in trouble for it

some one else FINALLY got the point!!

[deedee479]

>.> y lvl 80 no fair >.> dang it *drags self back out to lvl*

[Dark_Knight99]

I too agree with many of the posts here. I also enjoyed the event but there were things that could have been done differently and i do think they will read these(hope so) to see in areas that need improvement. People also need to understand they are doing things a little different to keep the flow going while they wait for new patches from DnC to fix, add, and make the game more enjoyable. This friday is Q and A with The Podium so best way to voice your opinions is during that event. Alk those stackables will not be level restricted as this would cause an unfair advantage to everyone. Also they would lose out on money too cause others would not be able to purchase them. The only other problem i see at this point is the lack of events. One would think with no updates they would use this time to hold more events to atleast keep some kind of adventure going. Point to ponder GM's. Lack of involvement and or participation tends to make alot of your dedicated and supportive customers a little uneasy.

[deedee479]

O_O u know since break left things got a bit worst. or is that just me ? then rider moved to propow and murdock too(tho he did not do much) where is para anyway? what happened to alastor? O_O everything has gone wrong!

[Daft_Brat]

O_O u know since break left things got a bit worst. or is that just me ? then rider moved to propow and murdock too(tho he did not do much) where is para anyway? what happened to alastor? O_O everything has gone wrong!

Seems like it's a rough patch recently with the launch of the new game and the reorganization of the staff. x.x Everyone's basically got to keep their fingers crossed that everything is going to balance out soon....hopefully.

[Convent]

Daaaaang. .__. That's pretty harsh for an event, especially without some GM help to clear aggros and such.

Definately some changing these events need.

[AnimePimp66]

maybe a lil less complaining a lil more training ye sounds good :P




btw* all this talk of how events suck now and everything sux now is not good way to fix community all yer gonna do is make more ppl complain gah

[Zeltar]

yeah, everyone (including GM's) can make mistakes, it's now the past, over and done with.

no need to resurect this thread. as said, there are more constructive things to talk about now. so we can forgive and forget about this thread.