A Few Questions for Rogues

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Hi, I've been thinking about the future of my neophyte, and I need to decide soon whether to continue on to be a Rogue or to become a Scout. I would truly appreciate it if you kind people please answer my questions =]

1. Whats the minimum stats requirements to become a Rogue? [at level 66]

2. How many stat points do you receive upon becoming a Rouge?

3. How would a Rogue do duoing with an aco of the same level? [I never solo, I only train duo with my aco friend]

4. How do I go about increasing accuracy in a pure AGI build? [I have the absolute minimum POW; as I don't use shields] Is MEN eventually required for either PvP or PvM? Or is simple AGI-based DPS enough to make up for it?

5. For a rogue [at level 66+], how much AGI = 1 attack, and how much POW = 1 attack?

6. For a neo, how much POW = 1 attack, and how much AGI = 1 attack?]

7. Do you receive a reset to stats upon advancement?


Thanks to everyone in advance :)

[tazsbigtoy]

Well, I'm not a rogue, I'm a cleric but I can help a little I think. 1)Whatever stats you have at 66 are what you need, lol. You don't get to reset them if you go rogue, only if you change to scout 2)You only get the ones from leveling no extras. However you do get a speed boost and seem to take less damage. 3). Since you receive your aoe skills here, you can keep your aco buddy, hopefully cleric by then, very busy. 4) You might want to talk to a rogue to verify, but most I know go pure agi. No men. Men seems to work best for scouts. Some do enough power as neos for the shield. 5 and 6 I don't know, but 7 is no. If you want to reset but stay rogue you need a cash shop book. I have several rogue friends I both duo and aoe with. We aren't the same level, but it works well. With buffs they can tackle harder maps which is better experience all round.

[iliketehpie]

I can only answer 7 and the answer is no.

[thawt]

1- no requirements, unless ur talking bout enuff pow for ur shield.
2- i forget but i wanna say more than 1...i mean u get extra pts for every 5 lvls, so u get some extra pts already at 65...idk if i got more at 66...sry ^^;
3- rogues can aoe, so fairly well. ull rack up those exp pts quickly. and ur aco bud will do well 2.
4- ppl speculate as to the usefulness of men. i hv heard that it would b good in pvp. its been said that it improves skill cast speed--its more prevalent in the archers/scouts. so idk how much u hv to pump in order to see a diff.
5 & 6- i dont think it changes when u go from neo 2 rogue. from wht i understand for every 3 points in agi u get 1 att. see this thread (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82268) for more info.

7- no, stat resets are available thru spark store purchase.

[Zeltar]

if you haven't noticed it already, this thread has a lot of the answers you are looking for
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92966

[Kendrah]

Better late then never, no?

1. None, except maybe the blood (but that ain't really stats either)
2. None really, except the jewel of concentration
3. Same as always though now you have the option to AOE, if you choose.
4. =O (I know some disagree with me but) you need your pow! Not only does it add defense and dodge from the shield, but the added weight is needed (I've found.) But... I don't think you need men at all. I've tried it a varity of builds and pure agi with as little pow as necessary is the best.
5. No idea.
6. No idea.
7. Nope.

[lil_migga_boi]

5./6. pure 3 power points give you 1+ attack/ increase weight by 20.
pure 2 agi points give you 1+ attack (3 agi points give you 1+ dodge/critical/skill critical)

[Zeltar]

it's 2/3 for each of them (please read my numerous previous posts).
everyone please be careful spreading incorrect information, it could confuse newer players.

[Convent]

1. Whats the minimum stats requirements to become a Rogue? [at level 66]
None, like Sijar said you only need bloods and some equips you can get at the normal armoury.

2. How many stat points do you receive upon becoming a Rouge?
You don't get any new stat points aside from the stat point you get for getting to level 66 (like any other level's stat point gain).

3. How would a Rogue do duoing with an aco of the same level? [I never solo, I only train duo with my aco friend]
Pretty well, you can go for as long as you two have mp pots because hp isn't a problem anymore.

4. How do I go about increasing accuracy in a pure AGI build? [I have the absolute minimum POW; as I don't use shields] Is MEN eventually required for either PvP or PvM? Or is simple AGI-based DPS enough to make up for it?
I think agi increases accuracy. I suggest using a shield though, because eventually you'll want to AoE (it's much MUCH faster exp) and you'll need all the extra defense you can get. Men doesn't do much for rogues generally since agi covers casting rate a little (over in the Archer's forum we've found that out) and criticals.

5. For a rogue [at level 66+], how much AGI = 1 attack, and how much POW = 1 attack?
2 pow=1 attack, 2 or 3 agi=1 attack

6. For a neo, how much POW = 1 attack, and how much AGI = 1 attack?]
It should be the same throughout all characters no matter what class they are.

7. Do you receive a reset to stats upon advancement?
No.

[cr3sc3nt]

1. Whats the minimum stats requirements to become a Rogue? [at level 66]

Contrary to what others believe, technically there are actually stats requirements to become a Rogue. BUT, it has been fulfilled when you changed into Neophyte (13 AGI, 4 STA). The same goes with Assassin. That's why when you reset your status using SC item, these "requirements" do not get reset.

2. How many stat points do you receive upon becoming a Rouge?

You don't get any stat points upon becoming a Rogue.

3. How would a Rogue do duoing with an aco of the same level?
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Duoing with an aco of the same level is fine. Rogues are good at it. However, I'd highly suggest to duo with an aco 8-10 levels lower than you, and tell him/her to illusion quake the monster once to get exp bonus.

4. How do I go about increasing accuracy in a pure AGI build? Is MEN eventually required for either PvP or PvM? Or is simple AGI-based DPS enough to make up for it?

[I]Accuracy isn't such a big problem for PvM even until my level (Assassin). Sure, you sometimes miss twice or even thrice in a row, but increasing MEN isn't really going to help unless you're adding it until like 20-30. However, by adding MEN, you're really losing a lot of ATK that you could've gained by putting those stats on AGI (Consider that 3AGI = 2 ATK, 20-30 MEN would costs you 12-20 ATK.. which is equivalent to +6-10 from your weapon). Note that I'm asuming the ATK from status and ATK from weapons and gears are calculated the same in damage calculation, which there has not been any tests to show that they are calculated differently (Please correct me if I'm wrong).

For PvP, I'd rather stockpile those Accuracy Souls (20 Acc) rather than adding MEN (With 14 MEN, I had 88 or 89 Hit rate if I remember correctly, compared to 85 Hit rate with 1 MEN). Other than to hit other Rogues/Assassins, the advantage of adding MEN to PvP is the increase in skill attack speed. However like I said earlier, to really see the difference you will need 20+ MEN. For Rogues though, simple AGI-based DPS is enough to make up for it.

I highly suggest you catch up with your POW and use your shield, because when you're high enough to AOE, you will definitely need the defense from your shield. Unless you have +6 or +7 on all your gears to compensate that defense loss, but hey, it is far simpler to just use the shield -_-'. Not to mention that it adds 1-2 dodge rate depending on your +, which is quite nice. Also to dual wield, you need POW (Shield of Unification (96 Assassin) requires 11 POW and Left Hand Darkside Dagger (96 Assassin) requires 11 POW too. So yeah, you really should catch up with your POW.

5. For a rogue [at level 66+], how much AGI = 1 attack, and how much POW = 1 attack?

3AGI = 2ATK and 3POW = 2ATK. By adding AGI, you will also get dodge rate and skill crit. I don't think that by adding AGI you gain normal crit as with 100+ AGI, I have 2 crits, but 20+ skill crits. By adding POW, you gain an increase in max weight capacity. It is very obvious here that AGI acts as our offense and defense (Rogue's "Main Defense" is Dodge Rate really), which is really what you should be increasing.

6. For a neo, how much POW = 1 attack, and how much AGI = 1 attack?]

The same with Rogue.

7. Do you receive a reset to stats upon advancement?

If you're changing to Rogue and Assassin, No. But if you're changing to Scout, Yes.

Thanks to everyone in advance :)

You're welcome.