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Zeltar
08-11-2008, 07:51 AM
There are many useful threads that get lost, are a challenge to locate, so this post aims at linking all the threads that I see worthwhile. It is impossible to sticky all the threads(it would make the forum a mess to sticky all these), but by maintaining a list of links it becomes possible to always easily locate the desired threads at a later date.

Hence I decided to put together a list of links to all the new and old threads that are worthwhile and should never be forgotten.

It is likely that I have missed some essential threads that should be on this list, if so, please let me know and I can edit it. I also plan to update this in the future as more great guides and threads are published. The game also changes over time as there are updates, so it is possible that some information might be out of date. I also take no responsibility of the content in these links being up to date.

I would like to thank all the great members of the community that have put in great effort into writing these guides and threads, it is a great asset to the community! many members in the community have put in great effort in writing the linked threads, please dont hesitate to rep them if you find one of the linked guides worthwhile.




General in-game information:

Wiki
http://secretofthesolstice.wikia.com

First quests guide
This is the guide for the revised beginner quests for getting started
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111050

Job Change for Dummies
This thread goes through the process sof changing jobs with clear screen shots and explanations
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88104

First Job Advancement.
Simplified first job advancement
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic7.html
A guide about your first job advancement.
-Link temporarily out of action due to solstice player change in domain name

Second Job Advancement.
A guide about your second job advancement.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85626

Third Job Advancement(assasin).
A guide about your third job advancement(other classes will be similar, just with different NPCs).
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/post425.html#p425

Comprehensive Quest Guides.
A guide with screen shots of the quest dialog box that pops up when you level.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37961

Pet Guide.
How to get yourself a pet - Step by Step.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42520

The Complete Beastiary.
Everything you need to know about monsters.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93657

Kill Stealing.
When your kill is stolen and when it isn't.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=552251

Aggroing.
Everything you need to know about aggroing monsters is explained here.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78334

Safe zones.
This is a guide to what are "safe zones".
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic110.html

DEF Needed to AOE Maps.
A list of DEF needed to AOE Secret of the Solstice maps.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89707

Keyboard movements.
A guide how to activate and use keyboard movement controlls.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95805

Marriage.
A thread that explains how to get married.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46795

Lucky Ball Guide.
You can get items with this in Cash Shop.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71019

New quest item drop system
Quest items will now drop at higher rayes if you are currently doing that quest, info can be found here:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112780

Food drop locations
Where different foods drop
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57797


Quest Item drop locations.
Quest item database, also showing which monsters drop which items.
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/forum37.html

Market price list.
A player-based guide on appropriate market prices for items(naturally prices constantly fluctuate so own discression is needed).
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75927.

Equipment information
tells you the level requirement and drop locations for all types of equipment.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97202

Equipment drop locations
Information about equipment, and which map drops what equipment
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97202

Enchanting Items
step by step walkthrough the enchanting process with screenies.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91386

Value of enchanting weapons guide
this calculates exactly what a +5, +6 etc is worth. Don't curse the blacksmith, it's probability. just bring enough and be prepaired for some failure as part of the process.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=987466#post987466

Economics, Inflation and xen prices
Basics of sos economics
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109329
Brainstorming Ideas to combat inflation
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106830
Discusses factors affecting pricing such as supply and demand, return on investment, inflation
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106713
disscussion on xen pricing: look at page2 of this thread, I copied many of my posts on xen prices and inflation here so that people can refer to it in this re-occurring topic
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=987466#post987466

Mixed gem mode
Now you can see how mixed gems work
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic179.html

Maps:

Overworld Map.
A map of the whole world of Secret of the Solstice.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77253

Labrynth map:
A map of how to get through the labrynth
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35765

Brynhild Sewers Map.
A map of Brynhild sewers.
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic14.html

Mythril mine Map.
A map of the mythril mines.
Edit: Link out of action(please advise when the link is back and running)

Cobalts cave Map.
A map of lvl 2 cobalt caves.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthrea...59#post2540659

Library lvl 2.
here is a map of library 2nd, and tips on AOE there
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1206545#post1206545

Library lvl 3
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202581

Brynhild Area Map.
A map of the areas of Brynhild.
-Link temporarily out of action due to solstice player change in domain name

Essene Area Maps.
A map of the areas of Essene.
-Link temporarily out of action due to solstice player change in domain name

Arcarinas Square NPC Map.
A map of Arcarinas Square with all the NPC's located on it.
http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic29.html#p55

What Map Gives You The Best Experience Guide
Find out where the best grinding spots are for your level.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79123



Other:

Signature making guide
How to get that transparent background look
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72894

Guild Emblem Making Guide.
How to get that transparent effect on your Guild's emblem.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75893
Another guide on making guild emblems transparent.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103306

Solstice Store Item Information
[Official information about items in the Solstice store
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37234

Event schedule
check out the latest event schetule thread in this sub-section of the forums.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=45
A list of all the events in the coming week(the events often change from what's origionally planned in this calander).
http://outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?s=&month=8&year=2008&do=&c=2

Storyline
Official story on front page of website
http://solstice.outspark.com/guides/about
Story of Adeline: yes i know it's entirely fictional, but it's so cool i just had to add it here.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92342


SOS addicts
if more than half these stmptoms apply to you, then you're probably addicted to SOS, go find some professional help.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70088

Zeltar
08-11-2008, 07:51 AM
Classes:

Secret of the Solstice Job Tree.
Pics and info on job tree, though only to 3rd class.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91936
Nice pics of the full class tree including 4th class
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46354

Comparison between classes:
People seem to enjoy comparing the pros and cons of each class
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37840
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38118
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37484

Class selection quiz
take this quiz and find out what class you are suited to
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125732



Neo/Rogue/Assasin Guides:

Neo/Rogue Level up List.
A guide to gear and skills for Neo/Rogues.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64407

Neo/Rogue Guide.
This guide can be used for getting help on Grinding, Builds and Choosing the gear of your Neo/Rogue.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86445

A thread about Neo/Rogue Builds.
This is the origional thread from January where I calculated the effects of each stat, and showed the pure AGI with min POW for shields as the optimum stat distribution(on pg 7-10)
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29709&page=7
This thread confirms the theory with some pics before and after stat-reset.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1292224#post1292224

Neo/Rogue Strategy Guide.
Starting and leveling a Neophyte.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85384

Newbie Neo/Rogue pointers.
A wealth of cunning Neo/Rogue tips and tricks to give you the edge.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60810

Rogue VS Scout Guide.
The pros and cons of both jobs.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92966

Quests for Neo/Rogues.
A thread about quests that are worth doing as a Neo/Rogue.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32968

Assasin list
A list of all the assassins
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77197

Rogue list
A list of all the rogues
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47595



Squire/Knight/Warrior:

Squire/knight level up list
A guide to gear and skills for Squires/knights.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73390

Fighter guide
Information with links to all relevent fighter strategy pages
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59248

Knight list
A list of all the knights
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52935



Apprentice/Mage/Wizard:

Apprentice/Mage level up list
A guide to gear and skills for Apprentice/Mage.
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49788

Mage guide
A guide to all about apprentice/mage strategies.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87472

Mage PvP
Strategy and tactics for app/mage/wizzards in PvP
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109070

Mage list
A list of all the mages
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45945

Wizard list
A list of all the wizards
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68874

Mind blast Vs magic thunder
Comparison between mindblast and magic thunder
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77360



Scout/Acher/ranger:

Scout level up list
A guide to gear and skills for scouts.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72578

General guide for everything acher
Here is an excellent compilation of information about being an acher
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56571

scout 66+ list
A list of all the 66+ scouts
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76219

scout/acher builds
Information on good scout/acter builds
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78061



Acolyte/cleric/priest:

Acolyte level up list
A guide to gear and skills for acolytes.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32045

Acolyte tips
Tips for new in parties
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44942

Stats for acolytes/clerics
This is a discussion on acolyte/cleric builds
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77301
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81785

Cleric roster
A list of all the clerics
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66941

Priset/priestess roster
A list of all the prisets and priestess
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68866

How to change class to a cleric
This thread goes through the class change process step by step
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86550



Disciple/Templar:

Disciple level up list
A guide to gear and skills for Disciple/templar.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57638

Disciple for dummies
Pics of disciple class change process, and a few bacsic notes on disciples.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46518

Disciple guide
A guide for all the disciples out there
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53595

Disciple list
Disciple roster
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46290



Super Xenian:

Guide to super-xenains
Tells you all about this obscure class.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48942

Super-xenain list
Yep, there are quite a few people that chose to stick with the classless class.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85783






I will try to keep this list uptodate as an index for people looking for some of the great guides/threads created. Please PM me if there is something that should be added or changed in the guide.

Zeltar
08-11-2008, 07:51 AM
Update July 2010. I am no longer an active CL, or even active in these forums.
A lot of the information in this guide will still be relevent, though it is likely missing some of the later additions to the game.
I will try and drop in a couple of times a year and add new info to the guide, so please add new links to this thread when new guides come out, and then i promise i'll add the links to the guide when i pop my head in.

I have ceaced to update this guide, though the concept has been taken over in this thread. so check this out for the latest guides:
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247195

Zeltar
08-11-2008, 07:52 AM
and just in case i need more additions to the guide.

moon.bandit
08-11-2008, 08:41 AM
Nice guide. ^^ I've found this guide extremely useful, the SoS Market Prices: http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75927.

Zeltar
08-11-2008, 01:37 PM
Nice guide. ^^ I've found this guide extremely useful, the SoS Market Prices: http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75927.

thanks, yeah i've also found that one useful (I remember once searching to page 5 of the market place forums to locate it).

more additions are welcome. :)

Hitohira
08-11-2008, 02:12 PM
Good job =)
That will be usefull for sure since it's a sticky, no need to check all the pages anymore ^^ thanks a lot

pixelbabe
08-25-2008, 04:32 PM
trying to find out where i find rainmoss of byrndhilld? can anyone help me??

foxmasterd
09-02-2008, 03:53 PM
Incredibly Helpful.

Just think : 100% Exp Boost + The Lv 60 Quest.. Bwahahah!

Dragonfly77
09-06-2008, 11:58 AM
I found 2 more guides that could be pretty helpful ^^

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91386
explains what are ap, xenning, and +1 etc.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97202&highlight=good
where to find better gear while hunting

Zeltar
09-08-2008, 04:20 AM
Thanks a lot dragonfly. :)

Actually those lings and several more were in my second revision of the guide of guides, though unfortunatly i lost that when there was the forum bug, forcing me to resort back to an earlier version that i had saved on a document. there are several more threads that i'm trying to hunt down that have been lost.

Dragonfly77
09-08-2008, 08:21 PM
In that case here's another one I found.

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57797
Shows common areas where to find drops for food

Idk any others, but if I come across more, I'll post them. ^^

nancutie95
09-09-2008, 07:04 PM
lol this is one useful thread thnx! :)

bataii
09-10-2008, 07:03 AM
Here are the threads with the Overworld-Maps:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77253

http://www.solsticeplayer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=968

I'm currently working on my own version of an Overworld-Map, which includes the levels of the monsters found in each map. If someone want to PM me some infos (especially about high lvl maps), the help would be much appreciated.

Zeltar
09-11-2008, 05:01 AM
Here are the threads with the Overworld-Maps:

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77253

http://www.solsticeplayer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=968

I'm currently working on my own version of an Overworld-Map, which includes the levels of the monsters found in each map. If someone want to PM me some infos (especially about high lvl maps), the help would be much appreciated.

Thanks for the map links, I inserted them in the respective place
i knew the origional thread was in the secret of soliste community sub-section, but couldent find it(i must have searched the entire section a couple of times). This time i linked the source thread instead of the images, so it'll still work as the maps are updated when new areas are released.

let me know when you've finished your best guide. there are already two guides made, they are good complete(They are mainly missing mobs from the most recently releaser areas), maybe you could collaborate with the creators of these guides to help add the extra mobs for the new areas.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93657
http://www.solsticeplayer.com/forums...read.php?t=106

Convent
09-16-2008, 02:33 PM
Um...is this guide qualified for the list? ^^;

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109329

Zeltar
09-17-2008, 11:37 PM
Um...is this guide qualified for the list? ^^;

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109329

Great, Thanks! I added it under the economics section.

brandorin
10-04-2008, 09:56 AM
Just an fyi:

A guide with detailed info of the text for quests.
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95470

The writer of that one has deleted it from the post and moved it to his website xenpedia.com

Dragonfly77
10-05-2008, 04:59 PM
Some (if not all) the solsticeplayer.com links are not working. They bring you to some sort of advertisement site.

Edit: I just googled solsticeplayer.com and everything is linking to the same advertisement site. I'll see what I can dig up...

2nd Edit: There...is...nothing........although I did find a bunch of other solstice fan sites...... >.>

Cladnestina
10-05-2008, 06:24 PM
I noticed that a couple of days ago, but unthinkingly thought that maybe it was just me (Yeah, I wasn't thinking..) so I didn't say anything >>;;

Mikitan
10-05-2008, 07:07 PM
Sorry for the late response. But SolsticePlayer is going under renovation. ^^ The lowdown is the site got jumped by a bunch of forum spam bots which caused a server overload + some other things >_>. Also in the process of trying to get back our domain name so yeah. It's a bit messy but it'll be back as soon as we (the admins and I) fix everything. No worries :]

Zeltar
10-05-2008, 11:38 PM
Thanks for the info. Please let me know when it is all up and running, and if I need to modify any of the links.

yudoichi
10-07-2008, 02:42 PM
Amazingly helpful, thank you vary much!

catry
10-08-2008, 10:35 AM
Solsticeplayer is back! We're still working on reconstructing our guides database but it's up and running. The new url is http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/

Mikitan
10-08-2008, 10:37 AM
Hey everyone! The admin team for SolsticePlayer has decided to relaunch on a new forum. (We no longer have access to our regular domain name as it has gone into MIA due to our Head Admin also being MIA as well :/). But the new link for the new SP2 is : http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/

Please bear in mind that the new forum is under heavy construction. We're in the midst of getting everything back up in a timely fashion. The team also has several projects that are to be released soon. But as for what those are, You'll just have to wait and see :D~

We welcome everyone to come back to SolsticePlayer and sign up. ^^

EDIT: Lol, Kit beat me xD

burner69
10-10-2008, 01:24 PM
these links have been jacked by some other site
Mythril mine Map.
A map of the mythril mines.
http://www.xenpedia.com/mines.html

Cobalts cave Map.
A map of cobalt caves.
http://www.xenpedia.com/cobalt.html

bobalitos
10-10-2008, 09:26 PM
sijar when u click the cobalt caves map it wont show up ><

Deviot_Aviot
10-11-2008, 07:17 PM
Thx, zeltar...reps for you

thetypingdead
10-14-2008, 09:30 PM
I love this guide!!! Use it all the time <3

I've been looking through the forums for a couple hours now, and can't find a guide on which spell books get dropped where...is there a guide on that? I could really use one.

catry
10-23-2008, 01:30 AM
Hi sijar!

For the solsticeplayer links, some of them are back up:

The simplified first job advancement guide: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic7.html

Acarinas Square NPC map: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic29.html#p55

We no longer have the quest items drop database; however we are working on a comprehensive quests database that also includes monsters that drop items: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/forum37.html

We're in the process of revamping our Maps system. Our eventual goal is to have a complete map database, so we no longer have Brynhild and Essene area maps; rather, we will have both a Overworld map and individual comprehensive maps.

And we could also use help in getting everything back up and running >_>

Zeltar
10-27-2008, 07:57 AM
I'm glad that this guide is assisting people. yes it was my aim to create one spot where all relevent information and guides can be found. I also use it on a regular basis to quickly locate certain threads that i often check.

Thanks everyone that has provided the new links, please keep me informed as more links come in and the solstice player database is restored. it also looks like xenpedia is offline, so i have removed those links. This means that we are missing cobalts and mythril mines maps. if someone has the energy to contributer a map/guide to the community then that would be a good topic.

I hope you all continue to enjot the guide of guides. And if you find anything else that is apropriate to include then just drop me a line. :)

catry
11-17-2008, 12:12 AM
Hey sijar, we now have several new guides up on SolsticePlayer :D

Using Mixed Gem Mode: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic179.html

What are Safezones: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic110.html

Map of the Sewers: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/topic14.html

Third Class Change for Assassion: http://solsticeplayer.prophpbb.com/post425.html#p425

People will have to register and log in to see the guides but that really only takes a few seconds and we're working on lots and lots of guides :X

And we're still working on more :D

ryandrnk
12-09-2008, 10:18 PM
Wicked guide Thanks

Zeltar
12-10-2008, 03:51 AM
It's good to see the guide of guides is still very useful.

Thanks for the update on links Kit. With the help of the community we can keep a reference to all great guides here! :)

Tybolt
02-06-2009, 10:29 AM
Hello Zeltar. Sorry if I'm reviving, the date's don't seem to work correctly for me. o.o Anyways I was wondering if you could add a wiki I've been working on?
http://secretofthesolstice.wikia.com

It still needs a lot of work but I'm hoping others will add information as well. Anyone can edit it and I think it would be helpfully to the community. :)

matt31084
05-23-2009, 06:33 AM
I've made a map of Library B3 if you want to link to it under the maps section...

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202581

Alma_Adhara2
07-27-2009, 08:14 AM
i made a map of lv2 cobalts cave since i saw theres no link to it:

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2540659#post2540659

hope its useful :3

arie.phoenix
08-30-2009, 02:54 PM
Hey Zeltar (:
Thanks so much for the guide ^^;;
Really, really helpful!

I'm not sure if you know though...
But the link for Squire/Knight Level Up List is... wrong?
This is probably the one you wanted to link to :D
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73390

opensunflowers
01-19-2010, 07:16 AM
Sooo...can we have a CL or something update this guide of guides? There are so many new things that there are guides for! D:

wardomic
01-19-2010, 12:44 PM
Would probably be easier to make a new guide to guides all together. Also this gameplay section is overloaded with stickies so they should do some sticky cleanup if possible.

deoxys114
01-19-2010, 04:00 PM
Add meh Library and Bridge of Despair Map Thread! :3

wardomic
01-20-2010, 01:07 AM
If a CL doesn't update this guide to guides who votes to have a new and updated one made?

opensunflowers
01-23-2010, 07:22 PM
Would probably be easier to make a new guide to guides all together. Also this gameplay section is overloaded with stickies so they should do some sticky cleanup if possible.

Ew, yeah, I noticed there's like...2938492384 stickies. [note: 'slight' exaggeration. ;)]

I choose you, Wardomic! To make a new guide of guides. Since it's just gonna be a hassle to have to compile a list of guides, send it to a CL, then wait for them to get around to updating it. Eliminate the middle man!

Either you do it or I do it. ;)

wardomic
01-28-2010, 02:27 PM
lol just noticed this post, I'll see what I can come up with. Oh and cute siggy, Zidane and Vivi if i remember their names right :p

Edit: It's a lot of information to go through(goes through entire forums) It reminds me of when i was looking for all the links that i put into my guide to classes xD.

I'm giving a deadline of anywhere between 1 week and 1 month.

Zeltar
07-21-2010, 05:18 AM
Hi, i dropped in to say hi.... and update the guide.
I have stopped playing SOS, and am no longer an active CL. yes creating another active guide is a good idea. I will probably drop in to say hi every year or so, so can update this then, but i dont expect to ever be actively going through the forums anymore and regulary updating this guide.
Hopefully it is still of some use to people, although fairly old, a lot of the information is still relevent.

justanotherlowbie
07-21-2010, 02:19 PM
you should link wardomic's guide to guides on your guide of guides =)

Zeltar
07-22-2010, 03:19 AM
good idea, i will do that now

nad_papillon
07-22-2010, 10:49 AM
For the World map, would be better to link the updated map GM_Robopanda made : http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251145

It includes the west eir maps

and wb ^^