would this fix many of our xen stone troubles? [Archive]

ace7580

08-11-2008, 06:23 PM

ive been thinking that maybe we should have a new npc put in the smelting store that actually sells xen stones at an affordable price
now as many of us know xens are silly high price but to most of us a waste at time..so im suggesting a npc xen stone seller as ive mentioned this would solve the prices and quantity issues of late..now guys you can leave in this thread what you all think but plz dont be harsh as its a suggestion:)

Zelos12

08-11-2008, 06:27 PM

i think this could b a good idea ^^

poochyenarulez

08-11-2008, 06:49 PM

the only problem i see with xens is that they fail to much, if they were 400k or 900k, there still going to leave you broke since you have to buy so many just for 1 success, if they succeded more, not as many would be bought and used resulting to more xen which means lower prices, get it?

BellaAnimorum

08-11-2008, 11:42 PM

I'm not voting, it's a trick statement, I knows eet!!
"yes that would salt all my troubles with obtaining an overpriced xen"

EDIT: Yes having a way to purchase Xen (from an NPC) would help the market significantly.

tankofinsanity

08-12-2008, 12:15 AM

well the poll is biased and I refuse to take part in this :\

selling xen stone is the only way a low level can obtain the kron to purchase good gears

if we discontinue this, we will see a shortage of new players, and SoS will suffer

Nights_Fang

08-12-2008, 12:28 AM

Not really. Like say if the standard NPC price for a Xen is 850k. (Just saying so don't hound me.) Then if a new player finds a Xen he/she could probably sell it for 750-800 k. That way the higher level player get cheaper Xens, and the low level player still makes lots of money

ace7580

08-12-2008, 11:42 AM

:mad: for freaks sake somethinks got to be done do you have millions upon millions for xens..ok ok lets see xens go through the roof some more and see ppl broke all round except a few ppl

Sakura301

08-12-2008, 12:16 PM

I wouldnt like it, the point of the xen stones is to be rare right?, but i would like to add an idea to it though (not throwing the complete suggestion altogether) make it sell special xen stones, that cant be used to refine to +3 or higher, that would be a bit fair wont it?

monday0829

08-12-2008, 12:21 PM

I agree with the player in #8. It will be contradict the existing of Xen stones as some
rare items and it is not good.

Having Xen stones alternatives, or simply removing the link between enhancing and
jewel is better thank this I think.

ace7580

08-12-2008, 12:57 PM

im quitting so dont care much now:p
this games pretty much good till 105 tops..for 1/i dont have the patients to grind till 110+god knows how ppl stand it 2/ive waste a hell of alot dollar for nothing my fault there.so can a gm delete this worthless pointless thread as ppl rather pay 1-2mill for xen:confused:

silverfern

08-12-2008, 01:09 PM

There is one other thing that everyone seems to have missed; once the enitire population of xen is walking around in +5 and up gears because you will be able to buy xens whenever you want, regardless of how much it will cost, you can wave goodbye to all of the acolytes, clerics and priests.

What will be the point of having any in your party when the damage being received is of aoe proportions - even more so now with the upcoming hp / mp pot update.

More and more people will train alone to gain all of the experience for themselves and SotS will turn into a 'soloist' community for most newcomers.

I understand that there is a problem, but all the time players pay 1 - 1.5m per xen this argument will never cease, so the solution is to not pay silly prices. Eventually the market will go stale and the sellers will be forced to lower their prices in order to sell - just like real life.

ace7580

08-12-2008, 01:22 PM

i know acos like all the pts they can get but with sc pot users and solo aoers such as me dont use healers because of these reasons there is a large amount of ppl who solo and sc pot wen aoe or in pt..but ya rite wen ppl go broke and theres no more kron left to greedly take through xens the xen market shud dry up....hopes!

monday0829

08-12-2008, 01:27 PM

Actually, for me the optimal solution is to give enough defense points to (And remove
the silly ap2/4/6 from) the armors so every one who is suppose to tank can just AOE
in the maps of their levels.

This, actually, gives more luxury and freedoms to the players. Then it is up to the
players themselves to madly AOE, to be so bored that they will set up challenges
among themselves, to stay and chat in the towns after grindings, and to party
in a higher level maps. Don't worry about it will make all healers jobless - it will
not happen.

We cannot just depend on the market itself to maintain the Xen prices, especially
when SotS is said to be a highly competitive game.

Sakura301

08-12-2008, 03:01 PM

Actually, for me the optimal solution is to give enough defense points to (And remove
the silly ap2/4/6 from) the armors so every one who is suppose to tank can just AOE
in the maps of their levels.

I disagree with that, in every game there are equipment pieces that are stronger than the usual ones (in some games include stats or other effects, in this one is extra defense/attack/magic) and are rare pieces of equipment that you can use.
Rare items are part of every game so you cant go around that.

moon.bandit

08-12-2008, 03:15 PM

Like many have said before, xens are the only way people get rich (the new players). Also, xens are needed for the third class change (I think). You're supposed to work hard to get a rare item and then change classes. If a NPC sells it, there's no point in working hard and xens wouldn't be rare anymore.

The only solution, I think, of fixing the rising xen prices would be to increase the chances of enhancing an item successfully.

Zeltar

08-12-2008, 04:53 PM

This is a biased poll. the wording of the answers forces people either to vote how the OP intends, or not vote at all. Hence skewing the results, making the results meaningless, and so defeating the purpose of having a poll.

If you want the OS team to listen then you'll have much more luck re-posting the poll, but with unbiased poll options. that wat they can get a more accurate idea of the communities feelings on a topic.

ace7580

08-13-2008, 04:52 AM

just a crappy game thats now pretty much ruined by alot of things

danibelle07

08-13-2008, 06:35 AM

... if xenstones were available for purchase from an NPC, I think the failure rate would have to rise to make a balance... >.<

Zeltar

08-13-2008, 07:32 AM

I think everyone just wants everything immediatly.

In the past we leveled up with ordinary +1/0ap or +0/2ap equipment, now many have +1/6ap in their 50s. People want to be able to max xen their equipment straight away in the early 60s. if everyone can easily max out their equipment, then what else is there to strive for in the game?
IMO i think enhancing equipment should be a challenge, giving some reward for working for a long time earning a lot of money. naturally economics become easier as people level, and they will be able to afford better stuff later as they level up.
what would be the point if it was too easy? if everyone could easily get +4/6ap from NPC purchases? it would be the same as changing the base stats so each item has 8 more def.
i've heard people in their 40s complaining that enhancing is too expensive, yes it is at that level, it is something to work for, wait a few levels, and enhance a bit later
it is a game, and we are all facing the same obsticals. IMO enchanting is supposed to take some effort, as a reward for being a good trader, and earning a lot of money you'll be able to boost the character through xens.
yes it hurts a low when all the xens fail, it makes me and many others broke, and it'd be great to have better equipment. but i think it is more rewarding to work for it all then to have it all handed on a silver platter.

monday0829

08-13-2008, 08:09 AM

Hi Zeltar, you had predicted that the Xen price will be going up to at least 2 mil
if things go on, but it looks very likely that you could not have predicted what
happened when Xenning being the only way of weapon enhancing, and when it
combined with rare 4ap/6ap items (AOE madness.)

Please also note that the Xen inflation have made our daily tradings not as good
as before, and the income through causal farming can not catch up.

Some people are asking for their advantages, naturally. They will be satisfied when
the game provides an answer and it fixed the problems. We must accept greedy as
human nature and think what we can do.

ace7580

08-13-2008, 11:34 AM

well ive played alotta other games that have been out 3-5months less yet things get/got done almost with in a month y is this:confused:

M1zzAT

08-17-2008, 09:19 AM

Well to start xen prices are crazy and getting crazier by the day.
So the idea of a Npc for xens could really be the best solution for this.

The xens should be sold for 700k to 800k or so, hence it will not have a reverse outcome for newbies who earn profit from xens for they can still gain income of 650k-750k per xen.

For the acolytes complaining about the imminent diminishing of parties, need not worry. You see people who tend to solo aoe and such do not really bring acolytes along anyway instead they rely on sc pots for refills of their hp and mp bars. Moreover for people who do not prefer solo aoes such as me, will always bring along an aco and maybe even another player to handle the aggro even though i have aoe defense (1-2 damage).
So your perspective on this is not entirely correct since defense do not actually effect the need for the aoer for an aco.
A lonewolf will forever be a lonewolf.

Success rate of smelting need not be altered and definitely not be reduced. This is a ludicrous proposal for anyone who had ever experience smelting above +5 will know that it is extremely difficult to succeed, and will suffer extreme consequences if the smelting failed.

So please think about this and leave your ignorance aside.
Despite if you are currently a low level or a lvl 1xx.
Just remember you wont forever be a 3x or a 4x and so on, and when it comes the time for you to enhance your gears, you too will part with a large sum of your money. Hopefully it will not be 2 million when that time comes.

M1zzAT

08-17-2008, 09:31 AM

BellaAnimorum

08-17-2008, 11:02 AM

And with all respects sijar, i can comprehend that you take the matters of smelting seriously. Only a few could ever reach the level of owning gears with your level of enhancement. But, this is not relevant with the point. People like me do not wish of having the ultimate defense which put other players to shame. This is not the objective. We only demand the gears which give us enough defense to allow us to aoe in a particular map without the worry of constantly dying.

And just what level of 'ultimate' defence are you proposing and hoping to -not- achieve?
What is the difference of +5ap6 (level 16) gears, and +5ap6 (level 80) gears?
Are they not both "owning gears"?
To aoe ANY map, you MUST have ap6 equipment, with several +'s added, and that is a fact.
And "demand"? Are you kidding me? This game is SO VERY MUCH easier these days than several months ago, when ap6 was as rare (or rarer than) Xen Stones. You are spoiled.
Don't make such rediculous statements. Please think before posting.

monday0829

08-17-2008, 01:15 PM

The Xen stone price is crazy it should be fixed.

The Xen stone drop rate must be raised also. I have been farming them for 3 days
straight and get no one Xen stones. That is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is that the default defense of the equipments is actually not enough;
the default gears should have defense of their +5/ap6 version by default for proper
gaming, that way we do not need Xen stones that much.

One who happened to get a number of Xen stones for 500k each in the past has no
rights to scold those who feel sick of current Xen stone price of 1 million or above.

branbranboy1

08-17-2008, 01:54 PM

it wuold be to easy to get higher +. i hate this idea. sorta stupid XD

M1zzAT

08-17-2008, 04:03 PM

And just what level of 'ultimate' defence are you proposing and hoping to -not- achieve?
What is the difference of +5ap6 (level 16) gears, and +5ap6 (level 80) gears?
Are they not both "owning gears"?
To aoe ANY map, you MUST have ap6 equipment, with several +'s added, and that is a fact.
And "demand"? Are you kidding me? This game is SO VERY MUCH easier these days than several months ago, when ap6 was as rare (or rarer than) Xen Stones. You are spoiled.
Don't make such rediculous statements. Please think before posting.

Well i think your first question was headed to me, i do not prefer giving out private information but above +6 .I do not wish for those level of gears. Yes, i am completely aware that you need to have +s on your gears to aoe. Please take into account the people below you when you comment. Not everyone has xx millions in their account. Yes the big boys love it, but most of the people playing this game are doing so because of the community.It would not be much of that if the community is obsessed about grinding and farming.

it wuold be to easy to get higher +. i hate this idea. sorta stupid XD

What do you mean by getting higher +s gears would be easier. My idea as stated, is not to alter the succes rate. The main idea of the xen npc is to avoid the price of xens from fluctuating or to keep it under control, not to lower it.

BellaAnimorum

08-18-2008, 12:21 AM

Well i think your first question was headed to me, i do not prefer giving out private information but above +6 .I do not wish for those level of gears. Yes, i am completely aware that you need to have +s on your gears to aoe. Please take into account the people below you when you comment. Not everyone has xx millions in their account. Yes the big boys love it, but most of the people playing this game are doing so because of the community.It would not be much of that if the community is obsessed about grinding and farming.

1st - Sounds as though you believed I was asking what equipment you have.
I don't really care.
2nd - If you knew anything about aoe you would know that having everything up to +4 (and hopefully ap6) would suffice for the task.
3rd - You are full of nonsense if you believe I haven't taken into account everyone else who plays.

I do not buy Xen Stones, period. I either found all of mine or went to events and earned them. So for you to try and sound condensending about the matter to someone who has neither voted on the matter nor contributes to the "problem", you really are making a big fool of yourself. Your first post was relevant, you stated a point, and a solution to a "problem", but your second, opinionated post was simply fail. Deal with it.
Yes, because many experienced players have lots of kron to blow on Xen stones, the prices are going up. Instead of crying over it, just deal with it, or better yet, make some really good friends and ask to buy them for a reduced price.

M1zzAT

08-18-2008, 03:54 AM

1st - Sounds as though you believed I was asking what equipment you have.
I don't really care.
2nd - If you knew anything about aoe you would know that having everything up to +4 (and hopefully ap6) would suffice for the task.
3rd - You are full of nonsense if you believe I haven't taken into account everyone else who plays.

I do not buy Xen Stones, period. I either found all of mine or went to events and earned them. So for you to try and sound condensending about the matter to someone who has neither voted on the matter nor contributes to the "problem", you really are making a big fool of yourself. Your first post was relevant, you stated a point, and a solution to a "problem", but your second, opinionated post was simply fail. Deal with it.
Yes, because many experienced players have lots of kron to blow on Xen stones, the prices are going up. Instead of crying over it, just deal with it, or better yet, make some really good friends and ask to buy them for a reduced price.

1st - if you have read my post properly, i clearly state that those gears are not mine, so in no way did i believe you wanted to know about my gears.

2nd - yes , +4 should be sufficent to aoe a particular map . But keep in mind not everyone has knight/warrior defense and i know that you are fully aware that knights/warriors have higher defense than other classes. I am also considering those who dont have access to sc (cloaks , etc)

3rd - The reason why i agree on this idea is not to burden any side whether its the high levels , the low levels and etc . The points i stated above clearly justifies that. The simple idea of a xen npc will not reduce the demand of xens, will not decrease the prices of it and will not make it a common item.This is mainly because even though it it sold by an npc the price of it will still be 160 times more expensive than the current most expensive item sold by the npc (1% pendant).

I do think it would be great if everyone had access to a xen supplier and make buddies with them. But we are talking generally here for the everyday people of xen.

justin_2006

08-18-2008, 09:08 AM

*sigh*

i really, REEEEAAAALLLLLY[very strong emphasis there mind u ><] dont think that xens will ever go down to where everyones happy.... i dont think they would drop to like.... 600k-700k but i mean all these "THERES A XEN PRICE PROBLEM" threads arent really doing anything, dontcha think??

and if there was a xen "dealer"(npc) ummmm not much would change(unless the prices of the xen dropped to like 200k-300k) that would just make xens more abundant
(unless the xens were priced at around 850k, then this "situation" would remain the same), as well as + gear...

when i look at it this way(now, i could be wrong, not arguing, just stating an opinion) if xen prices were constantly sold at an npc for say... 200k(or even 100k) that would make it much easier for ppl to buy them over and over to smelt gears, making the already enhanced gears drop to lower prices(well that could depend) which then, ppl could use their kron on things like pots, fruit, etc.(especially the fruit, that stuff is really overpiced in my opinion) and i think ppl would be more happy, instead of seeing ppl going around to shops and seeing xens at 900k-1mill and then seeing a message saying "STUPID NOOB, STOP SELLING XENS AT THAT PRICE"(that would be more vulgar if not for forum rules) and the possibility of that "complainer" spamming the xen vender with hate messages about how stupid he is for selling his xen stone so high... buuuuuuut, if we see xens being sold so cheaply and newbs(NOT noobs) buying them abundantly and using them on their gears... then the game wouldnt be any bit difficult for them....(of course until they get higher lvled), BUUUUUUUUT[lol] i DO think(again, i could be totally wrong, these things arent as predictable as ppl make them out to be) that the game would be a bit better if xens would drop more or maybe sold at a lower price(at an npc)... [I]--- just my opinion, not stating "facts" or anything, and not saying that any of this is better than NOT having a xen vender ---

xuvo.

08-18-2008, 12:38 PM

LOL @ at this thread...
its called a sink...deal with it.

(if your so worried about getting good gears play an aco
everyone knows ur def sucks so you dont have to worry about it.
collect ur respective loot from ur parties and save up for a second
char...fyi: i didnt buy ap gear for aco until 70+ cleric. i took
the money i saved and made a 9x templar with all +5 6ap equips.
but hey what do i know =P)

ootyroo

08-18-2008, 12:41 PM

BellaAnimorum

08-18-2008, 05:23 PM

3rd - The reason why i agree on this idea is not to burden any side whether its the high levels , the low levels and etc . The points i stated above clearly justifies that. The simple idea of a xen npc will not reduce the demand of xens, will not decrease the prices of it and will not make it a common item.This is mainly because even though it it sold by an npc the price of it will still be 160 times more expensive than the current most expensive item sold by the npc (1% pendant).

I do think it would be great if everyone had access to a xen supplier and make buddies with them. But we are talking generally here for the everyday people of xen.

That's great, just stick to being on topic, and it will suffice.

yea what he said...
(because i said it >.>)

Lol? xD

So can anyone kind of sum up what we have come up with so far?
Seems like there is no feasible "sink" for the wealthy. (wow, just like real life o_O)

Zeltar

08-19-2008, 12:11 AM

That's great, just stick to being on topic, and it will suffice.

Lol? xD

So can anyone kind of sum up what we have come up with so far?
Seems like there is no feasible "sink" for the wealthy. (wow, just like real life o_O)

yep, seems like it. though in real life there is always something people can buy, a Ferrari, a big mansion, holidays, etc. i don't think anyone has trouble finding worthwhile things to purchase with their money (well maybe except bill gates etc that can afford everything). the drive for more assets is what drives some people on to continue earning more money.

in this game we run out of luxury goods to spend money on. there are people with fully enhanced gear, and 50+mill in the bank, and nothing to spend the money on. this takes away the motivation of earning as there is no tangible benefit to having the money(besides giving it to charity). if they had something more worthwhile to spend money on then they would be more frugal, and the money leaving the economy will halt inflation, so make a tighter economy, the kron would be worth more and xen prices would be lower(or cease to rise)

in some games there are REALLY expensive and REALLY worthwhile sinks, that people need to save and strive for. this even makes people at max lvl continue playing the game to continue earning more money to be able to buy this super item.

maybe we can start some threads with suggestions on what would be appropriate in-game sinks.

ootyroo

08-19-2008, 01:41 PM

yep, seems like it. though in real life there is always something people can buy, a Ferrari, a big mansion, holidays, etc. i don't think anyone has trouble finding worthwhile things to purchase with their money (well maybe except bill gates etc that can afford everything). the drive for more assets is what drives some people on to continue earning more money.

in this game we run out of luxury goods to spend money on. there are people with fully enhanced gear, and 50+mill in the bank, and nothing to spend the money on. this takes away the motivation of earning as there is no tangible benefit to having the money(besides giving it to charity). if they had something more worthwhile to spend money on then they would be more frugal, and the money leaving the economy will halt inflation, so make a tighter economy, the kron would be worth more and xen prices would be lower(or cease to rise)

in some games there are REALLY expensive and REALLY worthwhile sinks, that people need to save and strive for. this even makes people at max lvl continue playing the game to continue earning more money to be able to buy this super item.

maybe we can start some threads with suggestions on what would be appropriate in-game sinks.

not to stifle the idea of having something nearly priceless
to buy or invest in but in my point of view and experiance with mmos
IMO this will most likely not happen.
free to play games are cashshop based so the best items are bound to
be in the cash shop. it would just be bad buisness.
they could make some of the cash shop items trade-able in game
such as a stat reset. im sure a lot of people not able or willing
to spend money on this game will surely pay large amounts of kron
for said item...however this fixes nothing as the sink isnt really a sink.
just large sums of kron goin to one player and then another.

i really think a lot of time needs to pass along with the
addition of many new players for you to see any change.

edit: epic wings will be quested for amazingly enough so that could prove me wrong ><;

dobby77

08-20-2008, 03:40 AM

yea even i agree it would solve our problems for xens

i work day and night with my squire
who is lv 55 and i got one in a month
and now i created a new neo and i alderdy got 2 in an hr
in death valley
so what the heck is going on the eay are ahave a more chance of drop rate for xen or what
and all we high lv char who really need it dont get it this is not good really not good
gms plz increase thje drop rate in harder areas and lower it in easy map
or
do what he says creat a npc for sellign xen stoen 500-750k each okay
thx

ace7580

08-20-2008, 04:56 AM

ppl are very fast to judge my poll i see..ppl i never said vote because either way you will lose im right attitude..i mearly like every one want to see better xen prices or a npc that sell xens at a lower price of say 600-700k:D

BloodLimit

08-20-2008, 05:08 AM

Xen stones will not be the only item that people would spend their money on, there is still alot of items that will surpass Xen stones in the future, so Zeltar's idea will more than likely come true.

M1zzAT

08-20-2008, 03:39 PM

Well thank you to all , and a special thanks to the gms who looked into this matter. With another method to enhance gears underway, hopefully this will fix the problems that are faced by the majority of players.

Thanks to all that had agreed and disagreed with me for i feel that i was just only trying to make sos more valuable to if not some than most of the players in the community.:)

Zeltar

08-20-2008, 04:01 PM

not to stifle the idea of having something nearly priceless
to buy or invest in but in my point of view and experiance with mmos
IMO this will most likely not happen.
free to play games are cashshop based so the best items are bound to
be in the cash shop. it would just be bad buisness.
they could make some of the cash shop items trade-able in game
such as a stat reset. im sure a lot of people not able or willing
to spend money on this game will surely pay large amounts of kron
for said item...however this fixes nothing as the sink isnt really a sink.
just large sums of kron goin to one player and then another.

i really think a lot of time needs to pass along with the
addition of many new players for you to see any change.

edit: epic wings will be quested for amazingly enough so that could prove me wrong ><;

I think my previous post was somehow misunderstood. I was not talking about trading CS items. as you rightly pointed out, this would destroy the game economy.

what i was talking about is ingame items that everyone (SC and non SC users) would want to buy from the NPC, and noy obtainable other ways.

in sots all the NPC stuff is cheap, after people have enhanced their items(and driven up xen proces in the process) there is nothing to spend money on.

you can see quite a different effect in Fiesta, where items and skills are obtainable from NPC instead of drops, the price of items goes up drastically at lvl 20, being suddenly a couple of silver for a book or weapon. this surpases the income, meaning that people need to run businesses on the side to earn money for all the skills they want, they can't afford all the skills possible so people have to make choices on which ones to buy. items sold to NPC give very little return, while items purchased from NPC are quite expensive. compared to here selling to NPC is half the value of purchasing, but nobody even purchases equipment from NPC as they all use dropped ap items. this need for more skills that people can't afford drives a need for more money, which then drives the whole player economy.